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codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:51 pm

http://www.4shared.com/zip/0DjM3yFY/1DMF-PROJECT.html?

Here I give the projects before and after splitting.

The split settings are in the file: PROJECT-SPLITTING-OPTIONS.JPG.

It isn't as cut and dried as just have straight sixteenths or eighths cut up.
Reaper does it dynamically, hence the name 'Dynamic Split' - you set the sensitivity here - it is a lot like the Props ReCycle really...

You can see the sensitivity settings I made and then hear the results of moving
them around, but you could do whatever you wanted with them - like pieces on a chess board.

You could also make the settings different to change the sensitivity - you could probably get to play about with 64ths if you wanted to.

What is it you don't understand or is not working for you?

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:07 pm

Ok, deep breath.

In.......
Out.........
In.......
Out..........

Have a look at the file I just put up named:
PROJECT-SPLITTING-OPTIONS.JPG

These are the 'Quantize Options' I was talking about.
My bad.
They are not really quantize settings they are more split points (dynamically allocated).

You select your file and you right click, from the menu that appears you select:
Item Processing>Dynamic Split Items. But you must make sure the entire file is selected by dragging across the screen for the length of the file you want to convert. Then just play about with the settings - actually it is not so straightforward as just selecting 1/4s or 1/16ths, you have to dynamically allocate where the beat will chop and it will do it intelligently for you.

Just get the menu commands right then play about to your hearts content. It is quite clever really the algorithm they use, but let us net get off the point.

Select your file.
Right click.
Item Processing.
Dynamic Split Items.
Use the settings for an example I gave in PROJECT-SPLITTING-OPTIONS.JPG.
If these do not work for your liking tweak, tweak and then tweak again.
Then you shall be a man my son..

I think that this is what is confusing things, there is no straightforward choice for quantisation as I said - I am sorry. You have to play about with the sensitivity of the dynamic split settings. It works great. It's like having the Props ReCycle for free (even though they do a straight 1/16 or 1/4 or whatever split. A lot of the time most people using ReCycle will 'dynamically allocate' the beats intelligently according to where the tails and peaks fall. Really, it is worth persevering with - I know XT2 does it - and you know that I am XT2s biggest fan - but this method of beat cutting is the best there is outside of paying for ReCycle or.....

Let me know if you need any more help eh?

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:00 pm

1DMF wrote:Thanks, I do have a copy of Alberton Lite, it came with my Novation midi controller, so I might have a look.

Though when I checked a comparison site for feature vs feature with all the major DAWs, Reaper kicked every single one of them's butts!

From Pro tool, Cubase, Sonar, Alberton, etc.. etc..

What features do you believe Alberton has over Reaper?

Thanks,
1DMF.

I've used Reaper. Didn't like it much. Live is miles easier, quicker, has loads of proper devices and effects, session view (non-linear working), group tracks, and racks. These are all massive advantages that only Live has as far as I know. Have a look at this post I did on a thread about why I choose Ableton Live. In Live, if I want to use Minimoog for my bass, I load a rack which contains Minimoog on the right settings, plus various processing devices. When I want to control it I hit button 1 on my keyboard and that's it. No midi mapping. No looking for the track and the plugin. I just drag the rack in and start turning knobs. And that's before we even start talking about Automap. Automap controls plugins like that without putting them into racks.

1DMF wrote:Well having done some research on Alberton, would I be better off waiting for Bitwig?

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/tag/ableton-live-9/

What I find even more worrying is Alberton have closed their user help and don't list known bugs or have a bugs report forum.

Coupled with that press release and its posted comments, it all seems as little iffy!

lol! Ableton replaced the user help forum with Ableton Answers. They do have a forum for the beta versions.

"the goal of this beta program is to:

Find and reproduce all non-intended behavior in the newest beta version that is not present in the most recent release version."

They have great support, for life, and no posts get censored.

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kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:54 am

Automap is the software Novation provides with their controllers to talk to Live and all your plugins

http://uk.novationmusic.com/software/automap

If I load some VTSs for example, I will see this

I can load a 'wrapped' plugin and see something like this:

and I can control Live devices like this:

This contains a plugin, several actually, and Automap can select it and control the knobs

1DMF · Post by **1DMF** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:16 am

codec_spurt -> Thanks for the advice, though can you not upload files via a provider that doesn't require an account?

But I think you have explained that actually what I'm trying to do isn't easy, contrary to what the Reaper forum claims!

I still don't understand why Reaper would show dotted lines labelled 'beat', and then not give you an easy way of splitting at those points?

I'll have to have a play with the settings until I work it out!

I installed and had a quick play with Ableton, it was very confusing at first, the way you drop some wiered named file for a midi pattern rather than a midi file or midi track and then have to drop the VST instrument in the area below before any sound came out.

After an hour of fumbling about I started to get the hang of things, and then found that the Lite version only allows 8 tracks!

For me that's a show stopper, not going to waste my time learning a program that is so limited, 8 tracks - I had difficulty getting my tunes to 8 stems to go to the studio for mastering, there is no way I can write a tune with only 8 tracks!

Automap works with Reaper also, so I can use the controller knobs and buttons for controlling the VST/VSTi, I had to manually use 'midi learn' in eXT, but it was quite simple to do, though I find using the mouse to control the gain knobs on some VST's just as easy, rather than mapping the twiddly knobs on the midi controller.

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codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:24 pm

1DMF wrote:codec_spurt -> Thanks for the advice, though can you not upload files via a provider that doesn't require an account?

But I think you have explained that actually what I'm trying to do isn't easy, contrary to what the Reaper forum claims!

Sweet baby deity!

Do you mean upload or download in that first sentence?
You can download it! NO problem.

Click the blue download now button with the arrow then click free download on the next page it takes you to.

That is the file I am referring to.

Or are you talking about uploading a file for me to see, in which case, you know, find something that works.

What you are trying to do is so easy, it isn't true, REAPER does dynamic beat split allocation. It does a whole lot more than that, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. What other host does dynamic beat split allocation? As easily?

I know that REAPER isn't everyone's cup of tea. And I see why. But, deity, this is a small point.

Your answers to my questions in this thread are very important, because I am starting to feel like it is a bit of a wind up.

If I can take the time for screenshots (something I never do for anyone) - you can explain your problem you are having.

Can I just ask, is English your first language?

No offense.

It just reminds me of that old Ford Cortina I tried to do up. Put a new starter motor in - helped. Still didn't work. New alternator, solved a couple of problems. Failed M.O.T. paid someone off. Still no right rear indicator light. 30 quid for that. I sold it for £150 and felt chuffed - I only lost £200. Still, had to take it back or take a beating. Guess what I chose?

Geezer, if you are so serious after this, I am going to ask you to install TeamViewer.

Btw, do you want to buy a nice brown metallic Ford Cortina (with CB radio - good buddy) ?

(Still can't rid of the f**king thing)

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:33 pm

1DMF wrote:codec_spurt -> contrary to what the Reaper forum claims!

Sweet deity on a bike.

Don't listen to the REAPER forum, they are the last people you want to go to for advice on REAPER.

Some of them are very good. A lot of them have problems.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is a troll....

Their strength is their weakness. Like Crack Heads in denial. Dealing with a Smak head.

Ok, joke over, I'm just kidding, if you are serious, you need to explain your problem in detail and give project files.

The guys at the REAPER forum might be a bit clicky, but it is probably the next best forum on the net for music production. And making GearSlutz a very poor third..

How did I get drawn into this?

I take it all back.

disclaimer: I don't know what I am talking about.

In fact - that's it go to Gear Slutz - tell them your problem - they will help you out - annotated diagrams, sage words of advice.... Yes Gear Slutz - that is where you need to be...

1DMF · Post by **1DMF** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:23 pm

I'm confused? Is English my first language, it's my only language?

Though I failed English language at school and wasn't allowed to take English literature.

I have Dyspraxia, perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well, anyway what's a Troll?

I clicked the blue download link, all I get is a login box...

http://dance-music.org/4shared.gif

and a poor login at that seeings as a video covers some of the floated div!

If you want to do a remote session via Team Viewer, that's fine by me..

It will have to wait till I get home from work, is 6pm BST ok with you?

If you email me (dmo at dance-music.org) we could arrange a suitable time and remove the forum as the middle man!

Sorry if you feel wound up, that certainly isn't my intention, I just want to be able to split a drum loop on the dotted 'beat' lines cleanly without pops/crackles.

If you are willing to hold my hand via a remote session, I would be eternally gratefull, and no I don't want a car, we have a new Kia Rio thanks, though it's in the repair shop as the missus crashed it on Sunday, so been busy sorting that out and a new crown as I broke my tooth, so not been spending much time with my music last week. It's gonna cost £500.00 for a crown - ouch , there goes my spending money for Cyprus and Madrid , in the next few weeks!

Apart from burning a load of copies of my new album and printing CD labels, I've not done anything with my music, let's hope this time I might get some interest, but I wont hold my breath!

Anyway, take care, take a deep breath, I'm an idiot not a wind up, and I look forward to working with you via Team Viewer to resolve this dynamic spit issue real soon!

kindest regards,
1DMF.

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:33 pm

1DMF wrote:I'm confused? Is English my first language, it's my only language?

Though I failed English language at school and wasn't allowed to take English literature.

I have Dyspraxia, perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well, anyway what's a Troll?

Well, English is my second Language. But then again, I am at a bit of a disadvantage because I can't speak my first language. I was being sarcastic really and not asking a real question.

You have Dyspraxia, cool. I do a bit too, But am, more Copropraxic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copropraxia.
I wish I was joking.
f**k.

Anyway.

1DMF wrote: ... what's a Troll?

Well, I am glad you asked. A troll essentially, is someone like me.
Someone that will respond to pointless questions, just to get attention really - anything for a quick hit. They lead sad pointless lives. Sometimes trying to help out people on KVR. Only to be asked..recursively..what is a troll.
I am a well known troll around here. I often don't answer peoples' questions. I give enigmatic responses. I sometimes have a bit of a nervous breakdown and spout total gibberish. But, on the odd occasion, I might answer the odd question or two. In fact, I might even go so far as firing up a second computer and downloading the source files of a mark. I will then try to find out wtf they are talking about, spending an hour or two sometimes, to actually get to the heart of the matter. Sometimes answering their question. This is
my mask. I then totally cover my tracks by giving the answers I have found. I
have found that this throws most people off the scent and they can not see that I am a Troll at all.

As you can see, Trolls are very clever and cunning. Stopping at nothing to
achieve their aim of, ultimately, I believe, attention.

1DMF wrote: I clicked the blue download link, all I get is a login box...

http://dance-music.org/4shared.gif

and a poor login at that seeings as a video covers some of the floated div!

If you want to do a remote session via Team Viewer, that's fine by me..

It will have to wait till I get home from work, is 6pm BST ok with you?

If you email me (dmo at dance-music.org) we could arrange a suitable time and

remove the forum as the middle man!

Sorry if you feel wound up, that certainly isn't my intention, I just want to

be able to split a drum loop on the dotted 'beat' lines cleanly without

pops/crackles.

If you are willing to hold my hand via a remote session, I would be eternally

gratefull, and no I don't want a car, we have a new Kia Rio thanks, though it's

in the repair shop as the missus crashed it on Sunday, so been busy sorting

that out and a new crown as I broke my tooth, so not been spending much time

with my music last week. It's gonna cost £500.00 for a crown - ouch , there

goes my spending money for Cyprus and Madrid , in the next few weeks!

Apart from burning a load of copies of my new album and printing CD labels,

I've not done anything with my music, let's hope this time I might get some

interest, but I wont hold my breath!

Anyway, take care, take a deep breath, I'm an idiot not a wind up, and I look

forward to working with you via Team Viewer to resolve this dynamic spit issue

real soon!

kindest regards,
1DMF.

Ok a joke is a joke. And this may be a joke or may not.
Have you asked the helpful club over at the REAPER forum?

I'll help you if not. This is one nut I'm sure I can crack.
But please be patient. I have real life too

.

Team Viewer. Sure, why not. All my CPU/HD are belong to you. Or was that All your CPU/HD are belong to me?

I'm up for fun. In fact, I am a champion of fun - the original being:
http://www.fargonebooks.com/hunter2.html

In fact, whatever you do, do not try talking to Todd Brendan Fahey. Now he really is a nutter. (Hi Todd).

I have talked to Todd. Unfortunately HST is dead. Self-inflicted gun shot wound to the head apparently, but I am rambling now...

Are you sure this is all worth it?

1DMF · Post by **1DMF** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:28 pm

I'm lost and seem to be going round in circles with this. I tried the Reaper forum , but just got abuse there also.

I've tried Ableton Lite, but that's a waste of space as it only allows 8 tracks and 6 snippets/section loops , or what ever they are called, basically the lite version is so limited it isn't worth wasting my time with.

I think I might ditch Reaper as well, go back to eXT just to use some of the new samples I've bought and then look at Studio One or Bitwig when it comes out, I was considering MUTools, but their website sucks and some of the links don't even work, so that's put me right off!

I thought your offer of remote session was genuine but reading this comment 'All my CPU/HD are belong to you. Or was that All your CPU/HD are belong to me?' , has made me think twice.

I posted in Gear Slutz as you suggested, but haven't got a reply!

All I wanted to do was move my music creation forward, but now I'm more dispondant than ever, in fact instead of bothering with learning a new DAW, I've decided to learn a new programming language while waiting for my next OU Diploma course to start in January.

Think I might check out Ruby/Rails, or maybe Python, haven't decided yet, but my web host has confirmed they support Ruby/Rails, and as I'm a Perl head, seems to be the more obvious choice.

Cheers,
1DMF

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:38 am

1DMF wrote:I'm lost and seem to be going round in circles with this. I tried the Reaper forum , but just got abuse there also.

1DMF wrote: I think I might ditch Reaper as well, go back to eXT just to use some of the new samples I've bought and then look at Studio One or Bitwig when it comes out, I was considering MUTools, but their website sucks and some of the links don't even work, so that's put me right off!

REAPER needs a bit of practice and if you don't use it for a while, you have to relearn it all over again, at least I do - using five or six hosts - my head is mashed - sorry I couldn't help you more.

1DMF wrote: I thought your offer of remote session was genuine but reading this comment 'All my CPU/HD are belong to you. Or was that All your CPU/HD are belong to me?' , has made me think twice.

I wasn't trying to be cruel or wind you up, more think about opening up your computer to total strangers - I am known here so if I did do anything naughty, then, well, you know, not that I have much of a reputation left, but...
I don't do remote sessions - I suggest you don't either until you really know what you are doing and who you are really dealing with. It's your life, your computer. I was just trying to make a point. Sorry if it did not come across as intended.

1DMF wrote: I posted in Gear Slutz as you suggested, but haven't got a reply!

You don't say.
</sarcasm>

The Gear Slutz are lovely chaps. Just like the REAPER heads. But they have their own demographic.

1DMF wrote: All I wanted to do was move my music creation forward, but now I'm more dispondant than ever, in fact instead of bothering with learning a new DAW, I've decided to learn a new programming language while waiting for my next OU Diploma course to start in January.

Think I might check out Ruby/Rails, or maybe Python, haven't decided yet, but my web host has confirmed they support Ruby/Rails, and as I'm a Perl head, seems to be the more obvious choice.

Cheers,
1DMF

I don't know much about Ruby/Rails, but Python is great from what little I have seen. You're a Perl head? Well... WORN (Write Once Read Never)...
Perl is probably my favourite language

.

In fact, I think REAPER is a lot like Perl. Yes, REAPER is the Perl of hosts.

I made the offer of you PMing me your source files and carrying the discussion on there. Don't have a lot of time at the moment. But throw a bone, you never know. I think what you were trying to do was quite easily doable and you never got to the bottom of it. Obviously you are not dumb knowing Perl...

The offer still stands...

1DMF · Post by **1DMF** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:26 am

Hey codec_spurt,

Sorry for delay in getting back, been busy and in Cyprus.

I know how remote sessions work, I do them on a daily basis with our membership, P.S. (I'm a programmer and the IT department for a living

)

As I would be seing what you were doing to my PC, if you started to go somewhere I wasn't happy about, I'd terminate the session, your comment made me feel like I couldn't trust you to behave!

I haven't even looked at my music for a while, shame really as I was all geared up, got a plethora of VST's & VSTi's, a new midi controller and gigabytes of brand new samples, but Reaper (and its forum) - plus the abuse I got on KVR has left me feeling deflated and so have put my music on the shelf for the time being. - I have just finsihed my 10th album, so I'm good for a while

As I mentioned I was looking into ROR (Ruby On Rails) , though having installed it, set it up and then looked into using it , I don't like it, it is no good for the purpose I wanted to use it for (re-writing a few web apps), it doesn't play nice with existing DB schema's and I don't like the command line BS to create scaffolding and other such nonsense.

I can create a hook into a DB, and output data via a HTML template with perl far quicker, nicer, easier and with better control over how it all fits together!

So I have ditched ROR (plus there are a lot of threads on the net on how ROR sucks!), so upon reflection and further investigation, I think I'll give Ruby / Rails a miss, not to mention appartently it breaks alot and has serious compatability issues between versions!

I then looked into Python, and yes the lack of 'encapsulation' for code blocks is offputting, but I read a good few threads and it seems Python suffers with performance issues against Perl, and though many say Python helps you write better, more readable and maintainable code, plus forces true OOP upon you, where as Perl as you say is considered unwieldly for big projects (WORN), and isn't truely an OOP language as basic priniciples such as data hiding / access modifiers aren't available.

However, I came across a thread on a Python post that pointed out Perl has moved on and modern practices and frameworks have changed the way Perl is implemented, and pointed to this book.. 'Moder Perl' , which is a free PDF download.

http://onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/

Like you, I think Perl is an awesome language and my favourite, I love its syntax and how easy I can get things done in it, I decided, why re-learn a new language?

Many here would say the same thing about a DAW, learn one, stick with it and learn how to use it properly.

So I think that's what I am going to do, ignore all the hype and buzz over this language or that, or what is most requested currently in the situations vacant. Instead concentrate on learning to do things better with a language I already know. Why learn a framework for a language I don't know, when there are now powerful industry standard frameworks for a language I do know!

I'm going to look into catalyst / dancer / mojolicious and read the 'Modern Perl' book and see if I can become better and write better apps still using Perl. After all if it aint broke!

Do you have any suggestions regarding any of these frameworks?

I'll PM you regarding the Reaper issue at some point, but I have decided regarding DAW's that I'm going to trial Studio One / MU-Labs / Sonar before deciding which one I will dedicate my time to learning, I still might come back to reaper, but I have a lot of trialling and testing to do before that decision can be made.

Again, thanks for your help and inmput so far, it is much appreciated.

1DMF

Creating Good Drum Loops