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mrgrim3 · Post by **mrgrim3** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:25 am

I had the fl 10 demo for a month im new to producing since june. I found it confusing and its ugly looking IMO. Fl 10 has a good piano roll, i think thats the best thing going for it.
I bought ableton 8 intro and i think its easier to understand just got to save to buy suite so i can have all the options for it. The piano roll isnt like fl but ableton is just a more comfortable program for me to use

S0lo · Post by **S0lo** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:45 am

FL simply has it's own way of doing things. What I really like about it that it's fast and relatively lightweight on memory. And it has the fastest plugin folder scanner I've seen.

mrgrim3 · Post by **mrgrim3** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:47 am

S0lo wrote:FL simply has it's own way of doing things. What I really like about it that it's fast and relatively lightweight on memory. And it has the fastest plugin folder scanner I've seen.

That it does. I did enjoy being able to riff generate and edit the ones it would make for me.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:47 pm

To me FL followed the same path as Acid. Great in the early versions. Then bloatware as it went from filling a role as an advanced drum and pattern machine to being a full blown DAW. I already had a full blown DAW and did not need FL for that.

I would love to see them re-release a VSTi version focusing on drum parts and arps like it did early on, but 64 bit and with a few advancements.

pough · Post by **pough** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:42 pm

Acid Mitch wrote:If you think women at age 13 are hard to understand , just wait untill they get older

I eventually stopped expecting to; that's the main difference. At 13 you assume it's possible (even likely) and are surprised and dismayed to find out that's not the case. Much like FL's help. I no longer expect it to be able to help me with anything that I don't already know. Unless I happen to be wanting to go through the interface geographically, touching things to see what they do, no musical purpose in mind. Hmm.. also reminiscent of...

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:55 pm

Rabid wrote:To me FL followed the same path as Acid. Great in the early versions. Then bloatware as it went from filling a role as an advanced drum and pattern machine to being a full blown DAW. I already had a full blown DAW and did not need FL for that.

I would love to see them re-release a VSTi version focusing on drum parts and arps like it did early on, but 64 bit and with a few advancements.

Spot on! I used Fruity Loops a lot in the early days to produce loops (which I then arranged in Acid). Loops is what Fruity Loops was made for, that's what it did well. Everything since then has been bolted on and feels awkward.

I never liked the attitude of the devs much either, but in fairness they did have to deal with an inordinate share of the young teenage market.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:21 pm

vaisnava wrote:FL Studio is insanely weird and complicate to use outside of that initial 16 beat pattern... However, try Jeskola Buzz, I know that by heart. haha

These threads sometimes puzzle me. I realize that my workflow is pretty unusual compared to the typical user:

Mixer view with three mic inputs, two for the piano, one for the flute. Arm, Press Play, Press Stop.

It bugs me a little bit that the "Step Sequencer" is really primarily the container for the VST instrumentation. Beginner tutorials could explain this a lot better. (Not every style of music begins with a 4/4 Kick-Snare thing.)

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:44 pm

spirit wrote: I never liked the attitude of the devs much either, but in fairness they did have to deal with an inordinate share of the young teenage market.

heh, yes you do tend to sympathise a bit more when you see some of the shit they have to put up with.
I'd hate to be a developer! (well I am in games development but I dont have to deal with 'the paying public'

)

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:56 pm

But it's not an excuse because many people who buy the program were NOT young. And besides, if you paid for it, it deserves support. I believe it has nothing to do with "teenagers" and everything to do with a built-in tude.

Anyways, to me it's a mess. If you like it, that is good too

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:05 pm

the step sequencer is just another way to look at the piano roll ...
a sort of 'piano roll for dummies' ...

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:14 pm

hibidy wrote:But it's not an excuse because many people who buy the program were NOT young. And besides, if you paid for it, it deserves support. I believe it has nothing to do with "teenagers" and everything to do with a built-in tude.

Anyways, to me it's a mess. If you like it, that is good too

I always thought it was a Belgique thing. Isn't it?

S0lo · Post by **S0lo** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:17 pm

spirit wrote:I never liked the attitude of the devs much either, but in fairness they did have to deal with an inordinate share of the young teenage market.

IMO, they might have attitude issues with some users, but some times I would like them for it, they are real, they talk like normal people you find on the street, not as corporate trying to sell you some thing, they don't pretend to be kind just to please you.

ill mindset · Post by **ill mindset** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 pm

Carpenter wrote:OH...MY...GOD...

So...much clicking! So many sub menus! Thanks guys, but I give up on FL again! I tried to use the F1 manual, but that thing reads like...well...a manual. My eyes were seeing the words, but it was all Charlie Browns teacher in my head. I don't believe any dose of Adderall big enough to get me through page one would be safe for my body.

I know myself and I...won't bother with any program where I can't start to figure out and understand how to do rudimentary things by just playing with it for ten minutes and that's just not happening with me and FL. I keep getting the same midi clip over and over. I was proud that I got one midi clip with some data in it on track 1. Nothing that makes sense to me will let me put another blank clip on the remaining tracks. It just keeps making copies of the first clip and my windows keep popping away, sending me back to sub-menu hunting...vomit. There should at least be a thumb tack icon on the piano roll, step sequencer, etc. to keep them showing on the desktop when you click off of them. I looked and looked and saw no thumb tack icon. It doesn't seem to auto route? It doesn't seem to let me just click and drag a synth to a track and boom, channel routed, blank midi clip ready to draw in?

Well, whatever. I'm just going to buy some of the Image Line stuff I really like as plugins and use them in Studio One.

It was a good effort though everyone! Thanks again!

You just need to learn keyboard shortcuts man. There are more FL tutorials online than any other DAW. No excuse for not being able to figure it out. Just takes effort and practice like ANYTHING else.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:34 pm

I was a fruity loops user years ago because pattern based sequencing/song building was familiar after working with groovebox sequencers. I also used Acid Pro to arrange linear based song composition. As soon as I tried the hybrid approach Ableton uses, I switched. That one took me awhile to wrap my head around too. I have tried many demos of standard Linear DAWs, but decided sticking with one and learning it was much better than poking around in many. If I ever try something easier to use or more geared towards live play, I might switch, but it would take a lot to make me want to relearn everything.

FL full blown suite is very feature rich. If you own it and like a few parts of it, hunker down and read through the manuals and just concentrate on getting good with one DAW to start with.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:42 pm

i use cubase but i use fl studio as VST because it's a great DAW. Very easy and fast. If one day the support for hardware gear arrive pro-quality i think i switch full from cubase to fl studio.

people who think that fl is not a full DAW are biased. on youtube you can find tracks made with fl that blow you away. pro standard 1000%.

Am I The ONLY Person Who Finds FL Studio EXCEEDINGLY HARD To Understand And Use?