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rodan · Post by **rodan** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:22 am

Mopho Editor is down...

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:15 pm

rodan wrote:Mopho Editor is down...

Had to take it down.. too many showstopping bugs.
But I'm happy to say i've got them squashed now!

I'll make a new demo version available soon. I'll post a new topic in the Hardware section for it.

rodan · Post by **rodan** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:13 pm

mkdr wrote:
rodan wrote:Mopho Editor is down...
Had to take it down.. too many showstopping bugs.
But I'm happy to say i've got them squashed now!

I'll make a new demo version available soon. I'll post a new topic in the Hardware section for it.

Good to hear you were able to fix the bugs

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:15 pm

I had a play with a Mopho today in a shop - it sounds very fat but I didn't like the knobs at all - they have a horrible clicky feel as you turn them and seem to need turning round twice to fully open up

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:23 pm

aMUSEd wrote:I had a play with a Mopho today in a shop - it sounds very fat but I didn't like the knobs at all - they have a horrible clicky feel as you turn them and seem to need turning round twice to fully open up

I feel the same about the knobs.. They suck to be honest. But i couldn't resist the sound

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:26 am

aMUSEd wrote:I had a play with a Mopho today in a shop - it sounds very fat but I didn't like the knobs at all - they have a horrible clicky feel as you turn them and seem to need turning round twice to fully open up

Yeah the knobs are not great but there is a pot replacement. You have to turn it fast to get a full sweep, i think they added that in 1.4. That's why i said get one used, a lot of people seem to be put off by the pots but for the sound i live with it.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:24 am

Sorry to revive an old thread, but I'm wondering if people have given the Mopho v. Minibrute decision any more thought? I have a Novation ReMOTE MkII midi controller with 16 rotary encoders and 8 faders. Can I use the Mopho software to assign some of these encoders and faders to control Mopho parameters? If so, I think I would be just as happy tweaking knobs on the Novation so long as the sound coming from the Mopho was analog; in other words, I don't think the quality of the Mopho knobs would be a deal breaker. However, if JRRShop can offer the Minibrute for the same $399 that I can get the Mopho for, now there is a real hard decision.

I also would like to get some traditional monosynth sounds out of this. From what I have read it seems like the Mopho might be better at this than the Minibrute. Can anyone confirm this, as well?

Thanks in advance for your help!

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:03 am

bharris22 wrote:Sorry to revive an old thread, but I'm wondering if people have given the Mopho v. Minibrute decision any more thought? I have a Novation ReMOTE MkII midi controller with 16 rotary encoders and 8 faders. Can I use the Mopho software to assign some of these encoders and faders to control Mopho parameters? If so, I think I would be just as happy tweaking knobs on the Novation so long as the sound coming from the Mopho was analog; in other words, I don't think the quality of the Mopho knobs would be a deal breaker. However, if JRRShop can offer the Minibrute for the same $399 that I can get the Mopho for, now there is a real hard decision.

I also would like to get some traditional monosynth sounds out of this. From what I have read it seems like the Mopho might be better at this than the Minibrute. Can anyone confirm this, as well?

Thanks in advance for your help!

You can definitely control most of the things on Mopho with CC commands from your ReMote. If you need total control you'll also need NRPN messages. I'm not totally sure if that is possible with ReMote alone, but if you get the MophoEd editor you can Automap it. You'll need to build your own Automap-mapping for it, but it's cakewalk. You can test the MophoEd demo to see how it works. It doesn't "need" the hardware. >MophoEd page<

Btw. I run it myself with Automap and Novation Nocturn.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:04 pm

Very helpful - thanks! If I can assign knobs and sliders on my controller to various Mopho parameters, it sounds like I would have (practically) the same level of control over the Mopho as I would have with the Minibrute. If so, to me it would seem that the Mopho is more flexible, being able to save presets and control it through a VSTi using my DAW. Would you agree? Can I also control the Minibrute in a similar fashion through my DAW, in terms of modulation of LFO and other parameters?

I am looking for a good first analog synth, and want to make sure that the learning capability (which I assume comes from tweaking knobs and hearing the results in real time) is just as good with the Mopho as it would be with the Minibrute. The only downside, I would think, would be having two separate units, rather than the self-contained unit of the Minibrute (I would consider the Mopho keyboard, but it is more than $300 than the Minibrute). Thanks again for your help!

whitecloud · Post by **whitecloud** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:26 pm

bharris22 wrote:Very helpful - thanks! If I can assign knobs and sliders on my controller to various Mopho parameters, it sounds like I would have (practically) the same level of control over the Mopho as I would have with the Minibrute. If so, to me it would seem that the Mopho is more flexible, being able to save presets and control it through a VSTi using my DAW. Would you agree?

I am looking for a good first analog synth, and want to make sure that the learning capability (which I assume comes from tweaking knobs and hearing the results in real time) is just as good with the Mopho as it would be with the Minibrute. The only downside, I would think, would be having two separate units, rather than the self-contained unit of the Minibrute (I would consider the Mopho keyboard, but it is more than $300 than the Minibrute). Thanks again for your help!

I don't know Dude. I have several knob ridden assignable controllers for use to tweak VSti's. It is nice but it still isn't the same as real hardware encoders
and sliders on a actual hardware kit. First think you'll notice is memory.
What did I assign this controller to? With hardware it's labeled. Second
depends on how the Controller and in your case automap works. In some cases the knob value doesn't change until you reach "where it is" then you'll notice the change in sound. Yeah I still use them as it is better then a mouse but you also should be aware that NRPN's send more data and are smoother that CC's, but NRPNs are usually not assignable with many controllers and I hear it is a bitch to do so(program) if they do. I really think you want the Mopho and believe that with you controller, you'll have a friendly interface as the Minibrute has. But the facts are that is not so. Bottom line. MiniBrute has it all layed out and is a great visual learning experience using a synth. No patch memories, but like other's have done use a template sheet, or take a picture. My Tube amp and guitars don't have presets as my voice doesn't either.
Mopho if you love it's sound and patch memory cool but be aware what you hope to work will not work in the exact fashion as the MiniBrute.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:58 pm

Thank you for this perspective. Does the Minibrute permit midi control/automation of its parameters, or does it just respond to note on/off? Sorry for the questions - I'm really a newb when it comes to analog.

Is the Minibrute as flexible sonically as the Mopho appears to be? In other words, can I get a large range of tones from the Minibrute, including strings, brass, leads, etc. similar to a traditional monosynth?

Finally, if I got one now (let's say the Minibrute), would it be silly to get the Mopho down the line? Would they be complimentary in their capabilities?

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:34 pm

bharris22 wrote:Does the Minibrute permit midi control/automation of its parameters

No.

bharris22 wrote:or does it just respond to note on/off?

Indeed.

bharris22 wrote:Is the Minibrute as flexible sonically as the Mopho appears to be?

No.

bharris22 wrote:can I get a large range of tones from the Minibrute, including strings, brass, leads, etc. similar to a traditional monosynth?

Yep.

bharris22 wrote:Finally, if I got one now (let's say the Minibrute), would it be silly to get the Mopho down the line?

Not at all!

bharris22 wrote:Would they be complimentary in their capabilities?

I don't think so. They're both analogue monosynths. The Mopho sounds different and has more modulation options... that would be the reason to also buy the Mopho.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:06 pm

Thanks for this information! One additional question - I see that the Minibrute has an audio in jack. I know that you can use the synth to process incoming audio, but can I play audio through the Minibrute without processing it? Is that what the Oscillator audio mix slider does? In other words, I would like to plug in a drum source and play along to the drums with the synth - is this possible without also processing the incoming drum sounds?

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:57 pm

The brute will treat the audio in as it would an oscilator

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:06 pm

Does that mean there is no way to have unprocessed audio come through the Minibrute?

Mopho, the good, the bad. The MiniBrute