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dexterbella · Post by **dexterbella** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:45 pm

It is kind of funny that in the thread for UNO-XL there are quite a few posts suggesting that TAL should have gone further than a pure emulation of a simple synth and created something more layered and complex. D16 has done that and here we have quite a few posts suggesting the exact oppposite. I guess we all want different things.

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:46 pm

Btw the first commercial soundset for LuSH-101 is out:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=363280

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:47 pm

Does Lush-101 sound like SH-101?

SH-101 vs. Lush-101

You hear Lush-101 and SH-101 side by side. I'm using the Synthmania Funky Bass file there (hope it's ok to paste it like that). I will be able to set Lush101 against a real SH-101 next week, time permitting. In the meantime...is this close enough?

dexterbella · Post by **dexterbella** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:54 pm

Cyforce wrote:Btw the first commercial soundset for LuSH-101 is out

That was quick! I'll definitely have to take a look at this one.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:55 pm

dexterbella wrote:It is kind of funny that in the thread for UNO-XL there are quite a few posts suggesting that TAL should have gone further than a pure emulation of a simple synth and created something more layered and complex. D16 has done that and here we have quite a few posts suggesting the exact oppposite. I guess we all want different things.

To be honest how many VA synth emulations really replicate the sound, interface and parameter ranges of the original synth it emulates exactly?
In that respect U-NO-LX seems to have set a new "benchmark". Sometimes less is indeed more if the developer spends more time on the "core features" of a specific synth/emulation.

I still hope that TAL will update TAL Bassline based on the knowledge/technology behind U-NO-LX.

Ingo

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:55 pm

dexterbella wrote:It is kind of funny that in the thread for UNO-XL there are quite a few posts suggesting that TAL should have gone further than a pure emulation of a simple synth and created something more layered and complex. D16 has done that and here we have quite a few posts suggesting the exact oppposite. I guess we all want different things.

There you go. It's impossible to satisfy the mighty analog starved populous.

I think what D16 did with this emulation is great. Anyone who wants an SH-101, can choose one layer and go for it. Anyone who wants a complex beast with layers, apreggios and fx coming down from heaven like space invaders, it's possible as well. Myself I'm interested in the middle ground, three layers max for some nice analog pads, simple arpeggios and such (any more and my CPU melts

). But to be honest, all I'd want to do with Lush is to nail the SH-101 once and for all.

However, it would be very nice of D16 to offer a bare bones Lush-101 included with the main synth purchase, one which would only have one layer ( no keyboard too).

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:56 pm

himalaya wrote:is this close enough?

Reckon so.

dreadnought · Post by **dreadnought** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:02 pm

Wow, I almost skipped checking this one out because of all the negativity. But I had an hour to kill this morning, so grabbed the demo and installed it. Definitely glad I did. I'm not really into dance music - which this is obviously very good at - but the pads! This thing is capable of some of the richest, most beautiful, most delicate pad sounds I've heard. How come a dance-oriented synth is so good at slow, evolving sounds?

Anyway, the overall sound quality is very good, the integrated effects are classy, as you'd expect, and it seems pretty deep. I'm 40, so my eyesight is not great, but the UI isn't a dealbreaker for me. Could be better, but I can still read it and work those little controls. A handful of the presets push the CPU a little on my 3-year-old PC, but most are perfectly playable.

I guess I would urge anyone who hasn't given it a try yet to go ahead and do so. I think I agree with other posters that it may have suffered from sky-high expectations due to the looooooong development cycle. It's very good, though. I should mention, also, that I'm not at all a synth purist, and wasn't looking for a dead-on SH-101 replica. More than anything, I'm after great sounds, and this succeeds on those terms.

Dan

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:26 pm

Sendy wrote:Personally I'm liking the new features - sync for waveform variation, having three filter profiles and two different modes, the extra subosc and noise options. Little details like that make a synth more enjoyable to use I think.

Not really keen on the included supersaw, I think they did it wrong and while it's usable to me as it is, it'd have been a lot more usable if they'd gone for the proper Roland supersaw which really is gorgeous even if you don't like trance. The three main elements for that are nonlinear detune curve, keytracking highpass filter, and noisy aliasing in the treble end which doesn't leak down to low frequency mud thanks to the HPF. It was a clever little package.

I also like the extra features...

And yes, the supersaw is underwhelming

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:32 pm

But the unison on the other hand is very very yummy.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:33 pm

himalaya wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
There is a little bit more punch at note on with the real SH-101.

There is a trick which can bring some of that punch of the real SH-101 back into Lush-101.

SH-101 only has one envelope, but Lush-101 has two, so when matching the SH-101 sound two envelopes are not needed. However, the second envelope can be used to add that missing punch. It's all to do with a fine balance of Env2 amount slider, the envelope attack and decay and keyboard key tracking ( to a lesser degree as it is usually needed to emulate the key tracking on the SH itself so it can be pushed too much to help with Env2 as it will depart from the SH-101 sound).

Try that Andy, see how much extra punch you can squeeze out.

I also noticed, though haven't really tested it, that you can turn env1 on for the amp, and for the waveform volume which seems to give a different env slope... that might be worth exploring

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:45 pm

BDeep wrote:But the unison on the other hand is very very yummy.

indeed... would be nice to have a few more modulation sources like voice and random for adding variation across unison voices

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:49 pm

pdxindy wrote:
BDeep wrote:But the unison on the other hand is very very yummy.
indeed... would be nice to have a few more modulation sources like voice and random for adding variation across unison voices

Absolutely. But more modulation options in general would be a good idea. Regardless of what you think of the supersaw, since it has a slider for the amount, I could think of some useful tricks modulating that. And I can't understand why, especially on a multi layer synth, there are no delays on the envelopes and LFO's.
Then again, part of its charm is that it doesn't try to be everything.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:16 pm

In regards of modulation options, I was disappointed that you couldn't map keyfollow to the reduction rate effect, for consistent stairstep waveshaping across the keyboard. The whole midi-only matrix thing doesn't bother me a huge deal, because you can always create midi envelopes and LFO's in your DAW.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:10 pm

dexterbella wrote:
Cyforce wrote:Btw the first commercial soundset for LuSH-101 is out
That was quick! I'll definitely have to take a look at this one.

Just to clarify, I've had the beta for a while, I did not make the set in just 2 days. Wish I was that productive!

It's not just bashed together in other words.