KVR Audio

Mister Natural · Post by **Mister Natural** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:47 am

WOW - 11 pages of questions, excitement, gripes, pessimism & wonder on the very first day of an announcement of the upgrade. This is powerful software.
LIVE9 won't be released until "the first quarter of 2013" - after another 3 to 6 months of beta testing.

I was sceptical of an upgrade(as I'm very happy with 8.2 here) until I read about the native audio to midi conversion . . . HOLY COW !

>Live's new Harmony, Melody and Drums to MIDI tools extract natural-feeling MIDI directly from the favorite parts of your music collection. You can also sing, tap a rhythm, play any solo instrument, then use Melody or Drums to MIDI to turn your recordings into MIDI clips that you can edit and reuse with any sound<

nickman · Post by **nickman** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:58 am

Still not happy with this

live8 + M4L owners:

live8+ max for live> suite8 to suite9 : 59 euros

suite8 + M4L owners:

suite8 to suite9 : 199 euros

I know ableton have said they will sort the price out in the future for "existing" suite owners - but why keep an unnecessarily high price against my personal upgrade offer - the longer it stays up the longer is the chane it becomes fact!!

Or just give me a free downgrade to live8 from suite8! - then I can pay the upgrade to suite9 for 59 euro! Not have to "wait for my special price" - currently 199 euros! What are they going to do - make it 150?!!

I don't mind people with lower packages getting a good upgrade offer - good luck to them - but why is the current upgrade for me 140 more than them! It should be less! Or at least the same.

But not 140 euros MORE with a note in a forum that I will be offered a special price on release...

Please sort this out NOW

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:15 am

It's funny, Ableton haven't even started beta testing yet, and people want to give them money.....bitwig Are beta testing (or so they say) and people say its vapourware !

It could be 5 months to the release of live 9 (end of q3 2013), lots can change in that time.

sl1914 · Post by **sl1914** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:37 am

SLiC wrote:It's funny, Ableton haven't even started beta testing yet, and people want to give them money.....

Some of the new features are that good

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:44 am

Not read the thread yet. Here is a list of features, some huge press-release photos, some recently upped official videos and so on.

http://www.macableton.com/blog/live-9-announced.html

PLEASE OPEN IN NEW TAB AND RETURN TO KVR.

maschinelf · Post by **maschinelf** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:48 am

So they've added session view automation, but still no proper recording automation mode?

muLperi · Post by **muLperi** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:49 am

Any idea if Live 9 suite Download edition includes those 3500 new sounds? Or if it's only boxed version?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:50 am

nickman wrote:Still not happy with this

live8 + M4L owners:

live8+ max for live> suite8 to suite9 : 59 euros

suite8 + M4L owners:

suite8 to suite9 : 199 euros

jebus, that's even more ridiculous. that makes it 70EUR cheaper to go from Live 8 Standard + M4L -> Live 9 Studio than it is to downgrade from Live 8 Suite + M4L -> Live 9 Standard

accounting for the 25% discount, thats somehow a 'base price' of 80EUR for a Standard 8 -> Suite 9 upgrade, but they're asking 3 times that for Suite 8 -> Suite 9.

I know ableton have said they will sort the price out in the future for "existing" suite owners - but why keep an unnecessarily high price against my personal upgrade offer - the longer it stays up the longer is the chane it becomes fact!!

and if its all a mistake, why is it still quoting those stranegly consistent 'mistaken' prices?

Or just give me a free downgrade to live8 from suite8! - then I can pay the upgrade to suite9 for 59 euro! Not have to "wait for my special price" - currently 199 euros! What are they going to do - make it 150?!!

Yeah, i'd prefer that downgrade too.

I don't mind people with lower packages getting a good upgrade offer - good luck to them - but why is the current upgrade for me 140 more than them! It should be less! Or at least the same.

But not 140 euros MORE with a note in a forum that I will be offered a special price on release...

Please sort this out NOW

Yup. At present, it looks like anyone who's got the Suite is being penalised 3 different ways:

1) weve got no upgrade path that gets us v9 free
2) we're missing out on the extra 25% off on that upgrade path
3) even accounting for the discount etc, the only upgrade paths we get are far more expensive than upgrading from any other product version (And that's what's unacceptable IMO, but compounded drastically by the other two ways)

If someone with Standard and M4L can upgrade to Live9 Suite for 59EU right now, why do we have to wait, possibly months, to see if we're ever going to get a price that'll be even close to as good as that from Live 8 Suite?
Right now, you can probably sell the Suite and recoup enough to buy a copy of Standard and the cheapest possible upgrade, but by making us hang on for even a decent (rather than best) price, we'll basically lose any chance of doing so on the possibility that Ableton are going to let us upgrade for less than a Standard owner currently can.

muLperi · Post by **muLperi** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:57 am

They are not stupid. I'm sure no one needs to downgrade to get better upgrade path.

Keef Baker · Post by **Keef Baker** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:59 am

Complain about the price if you like...

The inclusion of Audio to midi conversion and glue are worth the price alone.

Then add the midi improvements x4234234 (the no transpose or flip has been doing my nut in)

The (much needed) improved browser functionality and I'm more than sold already without the extra workflow improvements and improvements to fx bits (especially display and the close threshiold on the gate will save my life for guitar parts)

Tssss... Gift horse... Mouth...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:01 am

muLperi wrote:They are not stupid. I'm sure no one needs to downgrade to get better upgrade path.

You think they're going to beat 59EUR? I dont.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:04 am

Keef Baker wrote:Complain about the price if you like...

The inclusion of Audio to midi conversion and glue are worth the price alone.

Then add the midi improvements x4234234 (the no transpose or flip has been doing my nut in)

The (much needed) improved browser functionality and I'm more than sold already without the extra workflow improvements and improvements to fx bits (especially display and the close threshiold on the gate will save my life for guitar parts)

Tssss... Gift horse... Mouth...

Since when is it a 'gift' to pay three times as much?

Keef Baker · Post by **Keef Baker** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:06 am

Oh... I have suite8 and M4L. Hence why my price is ok :/

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:08 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
muLperi wrote:They are not stupid. I'm sure no one needs to downgrade to get better upgrade path.
You think they're going to beat 59EUR? I dont.

I do agree with muLperi.
I suspect the whole thing is completely screwed, and will be revised.
I also recommend anybody who likes their current pricing proposal to take advantage of it ASAP before it's amended upward.

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:10 am

muLperi wrote:Any idea if Live 9 suite Download edition includes those 3500 new sounds? Or if it's only boxed version?

I'm pretty sure it's in the Suite download.

from my page...
http://www.macableton.com/blog/live-9-announced.html

"Discover new sounds: Live comes with a large selection (3,500 in the Suite edition) of production-ready sounds, which were carefully crafted with the help of over 40 artists, sound designers and engineers. All sounds feature Macro controls for fast access to their most meaningful, musical parameters."

Ableton Live 9 announced