KVR Audio

nickman · Post by **nickman** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:17 am

muLperi wrote:They are not stupid. I'm sure no one needs to downgrade to get better upgrade path.

That is EXACTLY what you have to do at the moment!! Downgrade

But there is no way to downgrade.

That is why whyterabbyt and I are getting so annoyed

We're not "worried about the price"

We just want the same chance to upgrade for at least the same price as those with a LOWER version!!

At present it's actually ludicrous - people who have already paid 100 euros more for a higher version have to pay 199 for their upgrade, against 59 euros for someone to upgrade from a LOWER version

We'll cut our losses - just let us downgrade!

This way we're being shafted twice! Once is more than enough!

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:21 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
nickman wrote:Still not happy with this

live8 + M4L owners:

live8+ max for live> suite8 to suite9 : 59 euros

suite8 + M4L owners:

suite8 to suite9 : 199 euros
jebus, that's even more ridiculous. that makes it 70EUR cheaper to go from Live 8 Standard + M4L -> Live 9 Studio than it is to downgrade from Live 8 Suite + M4L -> Live 9 Standard

accounting for the 25% discount, thats somehow a 'base price' of 80EUR for a Standard 8 -> Suite 9 upgrade, but they're asking 3 times that for Suite 8 -> Suite 9.

I know ableton have said they will sort the price out in the future for "existing" suite owners - but why keep an unnecessarily high price against my personal upgrade offer - the longer it stays up the longer is the chane it becomes fact!!
and if its all a mistake, why is it still quoting those stranegly consistent 'mistaken' prices?

Or just give me a free downgrade to live8 from suite8! - then I can pay the upgrade to suite9 for 59 euro! Not have to "wait for my special price" - currently 199 euros! What are they going to do - make it 150?!!
Yeah, i'd prefer that downgrade too.

I don't mind people with lower packages getting a good upgrade offer - good luck to them - but why is the current upgrade for me 140 more than them! It should be less! Or at least the same.

But not 140 euros MORE with a note in a forum that I will be offered a special price on release...

Please sort this out NOW
Yup. At present, it looks like anyone who's got the Suite is being penalised 3 different ways:

1) weve got no upgrade path that gets us v9 free
2) we're missing out on the extra 25% off on that upgrade path
3) even accounting for the discount etc, the only upgrade paths we get are far more expensive than upgrading from any other product version (And that's what's unacceptable IMO, but compounded drastically by the other two ways)

If someone with Standard and M4L can upgrade to Live9 Suite for 59EU right now, why do we have to wait, possibly months, to see if we're ever going to get a price that'll be even close to as good as that from Live 8 Suite?
Right now, you can probably sell the Suite and recoup enough to buy a copy of Standard and the cheapest possible upgrade, but by making us hang on for even a decent (rather than best) price, we'll basically lose any chance of doing so on the possibility that Ableton are going to let us upgrade for less than a Standard owner currently can.

Cricky- thats a lot of words considering Ableton have a sticky on the forum saying the LIVE SUIT 9 to LIVE SUIT 9 upgrade price will not be given until Live 9 is ready and it will be a cheap deal.....calm down everyone

The current deals are to try to get non -suit owners to upgrade to get soime case in, thats all, there is no upgrade 'DEAL' for people who already have SUIT and M4L as there is nothing to upgrade to!

It will be cheaper than the current upgrade deals (maybe even free if you buy PUSH)

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:22 am

nickman wrote:
muLperi wrote:They are not stupid. I'm sure no one needs to downgrade to get better upgrade path.
That is EXACTLY what you have to do at the moment!! Downgrade

But there is no way to downgrade.

That is why whyterabbyt and I are getting so annoyed

We're not "worried about the price"

We just want the same chance to upgrade for at least the same price as those with a LOWER version!!

At present it's actually ludicrous - people who have already paid 100 euros more for a higher version have to pay 199 for their upgrade, against 59 euros for someone to upgrade from a LOWER version

We'll cut our losses - just let us downgrade!

This way we're being shafted twice! Once is more than enough!

I hear you but "completely f*cked up doesn't necessarily mean stupid"

I'm positive they will see the error of their ways (thanks to these posts) and amend.

OR

You'll find out it's actually free come launch

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:31 am

Again......They already have dealt with this!!!

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:32 am

Hey ladies, chill out, take a sip of that marguirita and maybe insert a fresh tampon. Shopping always seems to cheer you up so go and get those Jimmy Chew shoes, or whatever theyre called lol

Ableton are not idiots.
Us Suite + M4L owners will be sorted

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:36 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:go and get those Jimmy Chew shoes, or whatever theyre called lol

Jimmy Choo

irvg · Post by **irvg** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:40 am

I'm confused by the file sizes. Suite 8 is 3 GB and boxed is 40 GB - but EIC2 is only 11 GB, so what are all the extra GBs in the boxed version? Then Live 9 standard is 11 GB - what's taking up all the space there? and Suite is 50GB - is that only boxed? What's the extra 10 GB? Anyone could clarify this for me - trying to decide whether to purchase the boxed version for another $50 when I upgrade or not.

Leslie · Post by **Leslie** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:55 am

Don't be confused, iOS is the only way to go if you're serious about creating music.
DITTO

nickman · Post by **nickman** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:14 am

"the forum saying the LIVE SUIT 9 to LIVE SUIT 9 upgrade price will not be given until Live 9 is ready and it will be a cheap deal."

But IT IS being given now!

On my account page it says "your best upgrade path is 199 euro"

It should be changed to - "your upgrade price to be advised on release, but it will not exceed 59 euros"

Buying shoes would be a lot easier!

This is like a shoe shop saying, "if you've bought one pair from us in the past, you can order a new pair now for 59 euros - but if you've bought two pairs from us in the past, a new pair will cost you 199 euros at the moment but we"ll let you know the exact price in a few months when they come in, but it will be cheap"

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:36 am

Keef Baker wrote:Oh... I have suite8 and M4L. Hence why my price is ok :/

I have Suite8 and M4L; my price is about 2.5 times what someone with Standard pays.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:42 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Keef Baker wrote:Oh... I have suite8 and M4L. Hence why my price is ok :/
I have Suite8 and M4L; my price is about 2.5 times what someone with Standard pays.

Mr Rabbyt, it's very unlike you to be illogical and irrational however I feel you are this time.
Do you really genuinely believe they would screw their best* customers like this?

* By best I mean those owners of their flagship product.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:43 am

SLiC wrote:Cricky- thats a lot of words considering Ableton have a sticky on the forum saying the LIVE SUIT 9 to LIVE SUIT 9 upgrade price will not be given until Live 9 is ready and it will be a cheap deal.....

Except they're already listing an upgrade price.

The current deals are to try to get non -suit owners to upgrade to get soime case in, thats all, there is no upgrade 'DEAL' for people who already have SUIT and M4L as there is nothing to upgrade to!

Incorrect. The price Im being shown is being shown as my 'deal'.

It will be cheaper than the current upgrade deals (maybe even free if you buy PUSH)

and you say that as a representative of ableton who knows that it'll be less than 59EU, do you?

if they know its going to be cheaper, why the recalcitrance about saying how much it'll be?

sazb30 · Post by **sazb30** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:50 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:Hey ladies, chill out, take a sip of that marguirita and maybe insert a fresh tampon. Shopping always seems to cheer you up so go and get those Jimmy Chew shoes, or whatever theyre called lol

Ableton are not idiots.
Us Suite + M4L owners will be sorted

You may consider engaging your brainZ before you post stuff like that again. It's pretty offensive. Not everyone on this forum is male!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:01 am

irvg wrote:I'm confused by the file sizes. Suite 8 is 3 GB and boxed is 40 GB - but EIC2 is only 11 GB, so what are all the extra GBs in the boxed version? Then Live 9 standard is 11 GB - what's taking up all the space there? and Suite is 50GB - is that only boxed? What's the extra 10 GB? Anyone could clarify this for me - trying to decide whether to purchase the boxed version for another $50 when I upgrade or not.

The main difference between the boxed and download Live 8 Suite are:
1) EIC and
2) Session Drums, which is a huge drum sample library.

I think your confusion stems from the fact that for some reason they seem to have stopped talking about Session Drums on their page...

irvg · Post by **irvg** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:20 am

To answer my own question, the contents of Live 9 Suite is listed on their comparison page, and since there's no difference between Live 9 Suite Boxed and Download, it makes absolutely no sense for me (or anyone else) to spend an extra $50 now on the boxed version or Suite 8. Anyway, I'm mostly upgrading to get the Max.

Ableton Live 9 announced