KVR Audio

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:05 pm

It's a shame Lush comes with only two waveforms (Pulse and Saw). With a standard selection of waveforms it would be possible to have a wider palette of sounds. I particularly miss a triangle which with all these layers would come in handy for making pads. Obviously more waveforms would take the SH101-inspired approach further away from the origin, but Lush-101 already has many options which are not present in SH-101, so a few more bits wouldn't hurt.

In fact each section/module in Lush-101 could have an 'Advanced' button which would open that section to reveal more options. In the oscillator section it would be more waves, in the LFO section it would be LFO delay and fade, in the envelope section a 'Loop' option (see Synth Sqaud)...etc, etc.

BTW, Thanks for the comments re my pad sound.

@Sendy

then use the 5th layer as a monophonic arp that just picks out certain notes of the chord rhythmically

Exactly. Synths like Lush really make such layered patches so easy to create. It is a much better approach to experiment with than having five instances of a synth (or synths) open in a host, which may need additional arpeggiators. Another benefit specific to how Lush handles modulation is that it is so fast. There is no need to access the mod matrix for stuff like setting up PWM, gentle LFO vibrato..etc. It's all right there built into each module. On a multi-layer synth like this, it makes all the difference as it is fast to whiz through a layer as the inspiration strikes.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:15 pm

Yeah, i agree. Stuff like pitch, pwm and filter should always have a set lfo and envelope in the GUI

Those thin faders utilizes the space well.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:51 pm

himalaya wrote:
@Sendy
then use the 5th layer as a monophonic arp that just picks out certain notes of the chord rhythmically
Exactly. Synths like Lush really make such layered patches so easy to create. It is a much better approach to experiment with than having five instances of a synth (or synths) open in a host, which may need additional arpeggiators.

I don't mind having the layers and D16 did a very good job with them in Lush (only addition that comes to mind is layer linking)

But it is so easy to layer synths with Live's racks, that I really do not care if a synth is multi-timbral cause I will still use the racks most of the time. The racks are more flexible, powerful and just as easy if not easier... The only place the multi-timbral synth has the advantage is sharing presets and obviously, not everyone has Live's racks... but I think the functionality makes more sense at the host level

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:02 pm

Yes, you like your host. It's been discussed to death previously. I actually see a real benefit of a multi-layer synth like Lush, and I also use layering in my host(s).
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I love these type of sounds (which put me in a very good mood as they are perfect fodder for all night jamming sessions

'old school' style ). This time I took the cue from Sendy and added an arp to a 4 layer pad. Some effects used: Phaser + reverb on one pad layer, plus distortion and delay on the arpeggio.

Lush101 arp+pad

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:15 pm

I'm glad I'm not the only one who misses a triangle wave in "saw and square" synths. Especially in combination with sync a triangle wave can do some wonderful highlighting of certain harmonics. Add the option to alter the duty cycle from triangle to saw like in Charlatan and you've got pads and chalky basslines up the wazoo

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:25 pm

Triangle would be very nice to have!! Poor triangle never gets enough lurve.

dexterbella · Post by **dexterbella** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:27 pm

himalaya wrote: I love these type of sounds (which put me in a very good mood as they are perfect fodder for all night jamming sessions 'old school' style ). This time I took the cue from Sendy and added an arp to a 4 layer pad. Some effects used: Phaser + reverb on one pad layer, plus distortion and delay on the arpeggio.

Lush101 arp+pad

Absolutely fabulous as always. Make me happy and tell me you're working on a soundset for LuSH!

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:51 pm

Imagine what music would have been like if the 303 had had a triangle ...

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:35 pm

Crackbaby wrote:Imagine what music would have been like if the 303 had had a triangle ...

Thanks to ABL Pro there's no need to imagine

It's pretty boring as the triangle doesn't have a lot of harmonics, but if you make the triangle a sync slave and sweep it's pitch as well as the filter... man alive!

Incedentally you can also easily make a triangle out of a square wave by applying a keytracking 6db/oct filter. I guess this makes many see the triangle wave as functionally redundant, but the reality is that you don't want to waste a filter just to be able to mix a dull wave with a bright one.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:38 pm

dexterbella wrote:
himalaya wrote: I love these type of sounds (which put me in a very good mood as they are perfect fodder for all night jamming sessions 'old school' style ). This time I took the cue from Sendy and added an arp to a 4 layer pad. Some effects used: Phaser + reverb on one pad layer, plus distortion and delay on the arpeggio.

Lush101 arp+pad
Absolutely fabulous as always. Make me happy and tell me you're working on a soundset for LuSH!

Indeed. And another benefit to the layer architecture is that preset designers can export their layering ideas into an actual synth preset, which would typically have required tedious setting up on the user's end and multiple presets/tracks/effects etc.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:08 pm

dexterbella wrote:
himalaya wrote: I love these type of sounds (which put me in a very good mood as they are perfect fodder for all night jamming sessions 'old school' style ). This time I took the cue from Sendy and added an arp to a 4 layer pad. Some effects used: Phaser + reverb on one pad layer, plus distortion and delay on the arpeggio.

Lush101 arp+pad
Absolutely fabulous as always. Make me happy and tell me you're working on a soundset for LuSH!

Thank you.

I have been thinking about doing one or two. I have an idea for a solid Lush-101 bank, and an inkling about the second one, very different in nature. First, I need to buy the synth

(actually, first is my house move

)

contrary · Post by **contrary** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:18 pm

Well the Idea of having a PROFESSIONAL sound designers ( as opposed to someone such as myself who only plays one on TV!) set up the layer cake (yum) for this Lush 101 thing ; thats about the only way to go !!

because Even if I were gods programmer , I wouldn't want to go blind ( aside from my other activity's) trying to look at the details on the GUI of this thing!!!!!

Dear programmers ; we all have LCD's now ; LCD's have a native resolution!! ( aside from making me change the resolution to use your confounded product ..(IF I still had a CRT !!)

....STOP IT!!
JESUS ; were not all eagle F'ing eyes out here

Scalable and/or triple choice sized GUi's NOW

D16 must all still use CRT's , no ????

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:22 pm

They're on the case re: GUI scaling options.

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:22 pm

contrary · Post by **contrary** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:24 pm

Sendy wrote:They're on the case re: GUI scaling options.

Then ( and only then ) I'll have another go with this little beast!

LuSH-101