192khz monitors..

[psychoxkps]

please i've got simple question..

for what is good 192khz monitors? i've got m-audio dsm3 and it is 192khz..
how i can use this feature and for what is good?
i have too m-audio pro fire 610 interface and it is too 192khz.. that is good for lower latencies i found.. and i read somewhere on market is too 192khz cables..
do i need that cables to have my monitors on 192khz? and if.. for what is 192khz monitors good?:)

veeery thank you dudes....

[ZenPunkHippy]

You asked this same question about a year ago (?). The answer is still the same.

There is no such thing as 192 KHz monitors and the cable is not important for what you are doing. The number "192" is a sample rate and it only matters while the signal is digital. Other common sample rates are 44.1 KHz or 96 Khz.

When a sound card sends the audio to a pair of speakers it is converted from "digital" to "analogue". This is commonly abbreviated as D/A. At this point the signal is analogue and does not have a "sample rate".

The range of speakers is rated in Hertz (Hz). For example a pair of speakers or headphones might be rated between 40 Hz and 22 KHz, and this defines the range of audio the speakers can reproduce.

Peace,
Andy.

[BertKoor]

Since this is posted in the Getting Started section, I'll take some time to explain things a litte more in depth.

for what is good 192khz monitors?

Monitors are at the end analog and don't have a sampling rate. You can only hear up to about 20kHz anyway. To reproduce that accurately a sampling rate of 40kHz is sufficient. But the consumer market thinks higher numbers makes stuff better, so it sells.

i've got m-audio dsm3 and it is 192khz.

Ah, not simple passive or active monitors, but with AD/DA converter built in. That also makes it an audio interface, and this sampling rate is a property of the AD/Da converters of the audio interface, not of the monitors.
So they want you to believe it's 192kHz (and it probably is) and ofcourse higher spec numbers must be better. But what this only means is that you can feed it an audio stream at 192kHz sampling rate, and it will handle it fine. However what you hear is different, limited by the physical properties of the speakers. Here's the specs of that component:

frequency response (+0, -3dB): 20Hz-40kHz

Also it's not fully 192kHz, this is for playback (DA) only. For recording (AD) the specs state that the max sampling rate of this device is 96kHz.

how i can use this feature

You use it by setting the sampling rate to 192kHz in your project properties, that is: in your DAW, most likely in the properties of the audio output device (might fire up it's ASIO control panel.)

and for what is good?

We have discussed the benefits and drawbacks of running a project (or one single plugin) at higher sampling rates many times before. The topic is beaten to death already. Most recent incarnation of that discussion: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=362537 (well worth a read, though it might raise more questions than give answers)

i have too m-audio pro fire 610 interface and it is too 192khz.. that is good for lower latencies i found..

Yes and no.
Suppose you have set the ASIO buffer size to 512 samples. With the sampling rate set to 48kHz that represents about 10.6 ms of audio. In the worst case, if you hit a key and this buffer has just been processed, it takes 10ms before that buffer is completely filled and released to be outputted by the audio interface. That is the latency you experience.
Now set the sampling rate 4x higher to 192kHz. The same buffer of 512 samples now represents just a quarter of the time: 2.7 ms. Good huh?
But you can achieve a simular latency at 48kHz by setting the buffer size 4x smaller to 128 samples. That also represents 2.7 ms of audio.
So yes indeed, if you raise the sampling rate you get less latency with the same buffer size.
However, you cannot increase sampling rate and lower the buffer size infinitely. Probably before you reach the physical limitations of your audio interface (smallest buffer size, highest sampling rate) there is another limitation you encounter: the CPU. A higher sampling rate means more data to process in the same time. And a smaller buffer size means more overhead for processing these packages of audio. Where exactly the limit is depends on your hardware and your project: some plugins are more efficient than others.

and i read somewhere on market is too 192khz cables. do i need that cables to have my monitors on 192khz?

Where did you read that? For what connection would that be beneficial?
Network cables for instance are simple twisted pair topology (UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair) and CAT5 cables can handle a bandwidth of 100 MHz. Once you apply shielding you can go up to GHz numbers. Simple and cheap RCA audio cables probably can handle signals up to a couple of MHz without problems. So "special" 192kHz cables sound fishy to me (marketing scam)

for what is 192khz monitors good?

Really, you should have questioned that before you bought them

[V0RT3X]

for what is 192khz monitors good?:)

Making music for bats

[psychoxkps]

heh.. now i understand.. is only good when u have bígger frequency range of your monitors.. but that is also only for bats:D

epic post bertKoor.. it must help not only me;) really thank you.. so i forget about this feature forever....

and thanks also zenPunkHippy and V0RT3X too.. you helped me:)

[Syncretia]

I think I can explain this more simply. You're getting confused between the Frequency Response of the monitors (speakers), and the digital sampling rate of your sound card. These are two COMPLETELY different things. They're not even in the same ball park.

The frequency response of speakers dictates how low and how high the frequency of the speakers can output an ANALOGUE signal. For example the KRK VXT 6s are like this:

49Hz - 22kHz +/-1.5dB

No human ear on the planet can hear a frequency that goes up to 192khz. Not even a dog could hear that.

When you mention that your sound card goes up to 196khz, that's purely digital sampling rate which really refers to the quality of the digital signal before it is converted to analogue and outputted from your sound card. So, in other words the signal is converted form 196khz digital to an analogue signal anyway before it is outputted to your monitors.

[psychoxkps]

ok.. iam just thinking with use of 192khz digital spdif cables & 192khz interface mine monitors will have smaller latencies like monitors latencies.. but you persuaded me it is about nothing.. great.. just market drag.. i ever thinking only NI is solid for customers:) thank you again:)

[Syncretia]

monitors will have smaller latencies like monitors latencies..

Latency has 0 to do with your monitors. Latency is purely related to your audio interface and computer,

[psychoxkps]

and if a please you like cat for next life will u explain me by shovel for what is on monitors bigger sampling rate? hope last thanks;)

[BertKoor]

Latency has 0 to do with your monitors. Latency is purely related to your audio interface and computer

Well, in his case (M-Audio DSM3) the audio interface is built into the monitors That makes the matter slightly confusing to newbies...

[psychoxkps]

but i cant install dms3 interface drivers nito mine computer.. and nowhere i cant select use asio from dsm3 if u understand me.... it dont have any preferences like lower latencies or higher frequency range if monitors can do better frequency range or something like this.. really isnt? thanks.. pff..

[olepro]

If you have your monitors (DSM3) connected to your soundcard digitally it means your monitors will accept a digital signal up to 192khz sample rate.
That means they can accept any sample rate you choose for your daw project without compromice.
With these monitors you should allways use them with a digital
connection from your soundcard because they have internal dsp for digital crossover filters and equalizing.
If you connect them analog they have to convert the analog signal to digital before dsp processing and back to analog again for speaker output.
It's best to stay in the digital domain all the way to the output with these monitors.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Regards

[BertKoor]

but i cant install dms3 interface drivers nito mine computer.. and nowhere i cant select use asio from dsm3 if u understand me

The digital inputs are on S/PDIF or AES connections. You need an audio interface with digital S/PDIF or AES output. Your ProFire 610 features an S/PDIF output
So all you need is a S/PDIF coaxial cable (there's optical also, you can't use that)

[psychoxkps]

i got it connected by s/pdif..

If you have your monitors (DSM3) connected to your soundcard digitally it means your monitors will accept a digital signal up to 192khz sample rate.
That means they can accept any sample rate you choose for your daw project without compromice.

and for what is it good dude? i dont know.. that's mine only question.. by shovel.. can u explain me and peoples who's intrested in monitors like mine this? i dont know how to please for answer then just please....

[olepro]

i got it connected by s/pdif..

If you have your monitors (DSM3) connected to your soundcard digitally it means your monitors will accept a digital signal up to 192khz sample rate.
That means they can accept any sample rate you choose for your daw project without compromice.

and for what is it good dude? i dont know.. that's mine only question.. by shovel.. can u explain me and peoples who's intrested in monitors like mine this? i dont know how to please for answer then just please....

To quote myself:
With these monitors you should allways use them with a digital
connection from your soundcard because they have internal dsp for digital crossover filters and equalizing.
If you connect them analog they have to convert the analog signal to digital before dsp processing and back to analog again for speaker output.
It's best to stay in the digital domain all the way to the output with these monitors.


To make it short... it's all about the best sound quality