iZotope Iris

[ontol]

[TwoToneshuzz]

Yes this Halloween gift was incredibly well timed. Very high quality sound design here.

Thanks to the iZotope team.

Got my Iris+5 and very pleased with the service from iZotope and the JRR shop. Every thing just worked I'm setup setup nice now. I like the very professional dedicated download app.

It's a huge sound library to explore with the 5 expansions Wood Glass Toys Food and Voice, halloween monster expansion free just for today I believe, the 4 GB stock library and the Patchpool subscription sounds sets. Plus with the ease of creating own sound materiel this huge expanse of both raw samples for use in further sound explorations and the finely crafted patches to be used as is and as a learning reasource is a very nice suprise. The price I've paid for all this seems ridiculously low. Highly recommend those who are planning to get the Iris to do it while the Iris+5 deal is on until November 2..

I think this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship

[TwoToneshuzz]

I've been spending time with the Voice expansion for Iris. There is a lot to like, and I see they are really getting alot of diversity out of the material. Not just pads and atmosphere.

It's got things in it that make me smile, laugh out loud, and just drop my jaw..

[whyterabbyt]

Im hoping izotope speed up their development process (which is relatively slow it has to be said) for an Iris 2, as I'd really like to see a lot more soundmangling ability in there Real Soon. (not that there's anything wrong with Iris, I just want, well, moar everything...)

[TwoToneshuzz]

Im hoping izotope speed up their development process (which is relatively slow it has to be said) for an Iris 2, as I'd really like to see a lot more soundmangling ability in there Real Soon. (not that there's anything wrong with Iris, I just want, well, moar everything...)

I guess you can hope but the Iris was released in April, so there's not many developers that are going to come with a whole number update that quickly

I've been looking at the work that is done with Iris now. for hours and hours on end, for such a so called limited tool it seems pretty open ended.

But harp on about limitations all you want. Words are cheap.

[whyterabbyt]

Im hoping izotope speed up their development process (which is relatively slow it has to be said) for an Iris 2, as I'd really like to see a lot more soundmangling ability in there Real Soon. (not that there's anything wrong with Iris, I just want, well, moar everything...)

I guess you can hope but the Iris was released in April, so there's not many developers that are going to come with a whole number update that quickly

Im aware of that. On the other hand, they pretty much sent out a 'suggestions for the next version' questionnaire within about a month of it coming out. That's unusual, and I kind of felt it was because they'd been (fairly) conservative in its design, and were surprised by the response to it.

I've been looking at the work that is done with Iris now. for hours and hours on end, it seems for such a so called limited tool it seems pretty open ended.

But harp on about limitations all you want. Words are cheap.

That reads fairly snidely; not sure why you've responded like that. I made no comment on 'limitations', I'm just really impressed by the potential of Iris, and would like to see that extended, because it has so much scope. That was intended to be a positive thing.

[Caine123]

Im hoping izotope speed up their development process (which is relatively slow it has to be said) for an Iris 2, as I'd really like to see a lot more soundmangling ability in there Real Soon. (not that there's anything wrong with Iris, I just want, well, moar everything...)

I guess you can hope but the Iris was released in April, so there's not many developers that are going to come with a whole number update that quickly

I've been looking at the work that is done with Iris now. for hours and hours on end, it seems for such a so called limited tool it seems pretty open ended.

But harp on about limitations all you want. Words are cheap.

lame people always want more features, bleh, shame on you, be happy with what you have! *irony*

[TwoToneshuzz]

I can do snide that's for sure. I said something positive about a new aquicsition of mine in the previous post. The follow up was kind of well lets say your comments were taken as an attempt to let the air out of the ballon, so there you have it.

By the way the harping on about the same issue is known as trolling on many forums.. It's unfair to the developer as it tends to be the negatives that gets noticed..

Oh Caine123 is now a muted so any comments from that front are well lost one me...

[whyterabbyt]

I can do snide that's for sure. I said something positive about a new aquicsition of mine in the previous post. The follow up was kind of well lets say your comments were taken as an attempt to let the air out of the ballon, so there you have it.

Then I suggest you learn to curb your hypersensitivity, and not assume something which was neither explicitly said nor implied. Reread what I said; it was predominantly a hope for a faster development process. In case you weren't aware, izotope generally develop their products fairly slowly. Look at the development cycle for Trash.

By the way the harping on about the same issue is known as trolling on many forums.. It's unfair to the developer as it tends to be the negatives that gets noticed..

Since you were addressing me, what 'same issue' would that be, then? Ive said nothing negative about Izotope, or Iris, and your mischaracterisation of what I said as such has zero merit.

Iris, currently, is a great tool. If you think comments about its potential somehow diminish that, you need to reexamine yourself instead of jumping on other people and bandying around words like 'trolling'.

[Spitfire31]

This place is getting more and more like a sandbox for preschoolers…

/Joachim

[Shabdahbriah]

This place is getting more and more like a sandbox for preschoolers…

/Joachim

Sometimes... I was going to say "depends", but some might take that as alluding to the (now defunct) KVR 'diaper mandate clause' in the banning protocols, which strikes a little too-close-to-home, for some of "us".

A GREAT deal has been said with regard to Iris's "features/qualities" and "feature requests/update desires", some of which ARE seen as short-comings by those who need/require them. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

A lot of the suggestions/FR's I've seen here and elsewhere would really enhance an already unique/interesting "tool". Some would make it into something it (IMO) was not intended to be, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

"Image import" would be high on 'my list', as would 'adjusting/aligning' the "layers" (separate sounds) relative to one another (overlap), by 'selecting/dragging' on a time line. etc., etc., etc...

Over-all a very constructive discussion, me thinks.

[2c]

[TwoToneshuzz]

I think as a person who was very intereseted in Iris for what certain ussers have gotten out of the instrument as it is now I look to this thread, and read through all of it over a period of days. I find that there is a certain line or direction harping rising up trying to derail more positive lines in the debate. You who press for an overheated development pace, are not doing the broad base of users any favours, As new as the program is a more reasoned pace would both save us from feature bloat and risk of getting a buggy updated instrument with lots of features that the majority of users either don't need or can easily work around.

The posts about a lack of this or that feature and the so-called slow development pace does turn off many potential interested parties. This was actually true for myself. Some of the posts made it soumd as as if the instrument was barely useable. On the otherhand at least some of the suggestions for future feature requests seemed like less than proven necessities, some even quite off in blue sky land. Maybe thes super features are Possible but at what cost and at what point in time.

None of the critical users went into any depth really honestly and demonstrated with their own examples actual sound tracks where the shortcomings of the Iris interface had hindered them in achieving their goals. Or shown a competing product that working out from a Sonogram painting modus was more capable and more ready for prime time than Iris. Where's the beef? I looked at padshop pro, it's nice but nothing like the Iris..

Some reading around this thread and in the Manual and in the reviews . and you actually find fairly straght forward methods to achieve the results with Iris that by the feature whiners words were not achievable. By studying the many patch examples and careful exhaustive listening on my part to hunndreds of sounds I can only conclude that the Iris interface is now usesable and to a very high degree.

As is often the case a new technology may seem to lack features, but this is due in some cases to user inexperience. Or trying to use the wrong tool for a job. When what you need specifically may be just an little extra step using a utility.

For example there was one user that said it was a deal breaker that he couldn't export samples in standalone modus.

I use a program by Rogue Amoeba called Audio Hijack pro. From this I can capture any audio from any application on the mac. This is my present export method in standalone, it is seemless. it takes next to no time in comparison to the actual process of playing the instrument, choosing sounds and samples twaeking and so on, with Audio Hijack pro my export takes less than 30 seconds from start to finish. Yet that is a deal breaker for a power user, hmm..

If you think the instrument is limited you perhaps blind yourself to your own ability to understand a new interface and a new technology. This weakness on your part gets blamed on the developer.

No not me!, you say okay. Everyone has their blind spots. So admit it you could be wrong about Iris. If you don't own the program of course you won't have spent the time obvioiusly to know this.


But you posit that You are just trying to help, things along by making these suggestions here on this thread..So how does piping in when something positive is said about the instrument. Jumping in to modulate and explain that it's not rosy at all there is this or that problem like slow development, or a missing crippling feature. How is that going to improve the chances that enough people will invest in the instrument now. Will riding roughshod on the present state of the Iris like this encourage further development? If you own the Iris it's easy just contact Support at iZotope with your concerns.

Therefore when I posted a quick review of new material that I doubt the posters above have even looked at. Various posters rush to begin flaming about slow development and missing features. Yes and attacking me fro being so Rude!! I find it distastful and perhaps even a little suspicious as the true nature of the motivation to make these posts on the heels of a more lighter positive one. AS if to cancel out the positive.

[whyterabbyt]

I think as a person who was very intereseted in Iris for what certain ussers have gotten out of the instrument as it is now I look to this thread, and read through all of it over a period of days. I find that there is a certain line or direction harping rising up trying to derail more positive lines in the debate. You who press for an overheated development pace, are not doing the broad base of users any favours, As new as the program is a more reasoned pace would both save us from feature bloat and risk of getting a buggy updated instrument with lots of features that the majority of users either don't need or can easily work around.

The posts about a lack of this or that feature and the so-called slow development pace does turn off many potential interested parties. This was actually true for myself. Some of the posts made it soumd as as if the instrument was barely useable. On the otherhand at least some of the suggestions for future feature requests on the other had seemed less that proven necessities and quite off in blue sky land. Possible but at what cost...

None of the users demonstrated with their own examples actual sound tracks how the shortcomings of the Iris interface had hindered them to achieve their goals.

Some reading around and you actually find fairly easy methods to achieve the results with Iris that by their own words were not achievable. By studying the many patch examples and careful exhaustive listen on my part the Iris interface is now usesable. As is often the case a new technology may seem to lack features, but this is due in some cases to user inexperience. Or trying to use the wrong tool for the job. When what you need specifically may be just an little extra step using a utitlity.

For example there was one user that said it was a deal breaker that he couldn't export samples in standalone modus.

I use a program by Rogue Amoeba called Audio Hijack pro. From this I can capture any audio from any application on the mac. This is my present export method in standalone, it is seemless. it takes next to no time in comparison to the actually process of playing choosing sounds twaeking and so on, less than 30 seconds from start to finish. Yet that is a deal breaker..

If you think the instrument is limited you perhaps blind yourself to you own ability to understand a new interface. This weakness on your part gets blamed on the developer.

No not you you say okay. Everyone has their blind spots. So admit it you could be wrong about Iris. If you don't own the program of course you won't have spent the time obvioiusly to know this.


So how does piping in everytime something positive is said about the instrument about this or that problem, like slow development, or a missing crippling feature. How is that going to improve the chances that enough people will invest in the instrument now. Will a rough ride like this encourage further development?

Therefore when I posted a quick review of new material that I dobut the posters above have even looked at. This rush to begin flaming about slow development and missing feature comes on. I find it distastful and perhaps even a little suspicious as the true nature of the motivation to make these posts on the heels of a more lighter positive one. AS if to cancel out the positive.

pretty big army of straw men, that.

[Sampleconstruct]

Sorry to interrupt the argument, here is a fresh, rather longish demo featuring 5 new Iris patches:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... -iris-demo

[TwoToneshuzz]

Then I suggest you learn to curb your hypersensitivity, and not assume something which was neither explicitly said nor implied. Reread what I said; it was predominantly a hope for a faster development process. In case you weren't aware, izotope generally develop their products fairly slowly. Look at the development cycle for Trash.

By the way the harping on about the same issue is known as trolling on many forums.. It's unfair to the developer as it tends to be the negatives that gets noticed..

Since you were addressing me, what 'same issue' would that be, then? Ive said nothing negative about Izotope, or Iris, and your mischaracterisation of what I said as such has zero merit.

Iris, currently, is a great tool. If you think comments about its potential somehow diminish that, you need to reexamine yourself instead of jumping on other people and bandying around words like 'trolling'.

It's the general spirit of the debate about the so called Slow development (lie) and the crippled feature set (lie) that has soured this thread. I cant help but see red when you bring this up once again nth time in just this thread and on the heels of some positive input. The issue you bring up is nothing new your imput didn't add anything we didn't already know. Therefore it classifies as a type of trolling or more rightly flaming, even if it's your first post about this issue then think about how the timing and the repetition of the negative(falsehood), such a selfish act really, that is repugnent and againt the spirit of the forum rules..

I would again urge you to contact iZotope directly with your concerns, they are the ones that can take your suggestions and bring the needed resources to bear on the problem. Here it's just making yourself look good, showing the forum that you know it all. Your glory here is at the expense of the quiet guy who does the actual work and takes the risks..