Improving music/keyboard skills... what to do

[jancivil]

You're clipping my remarks to get to something you can make ridiculous? How utterly stupid a display.

[Bronto Scorpio]

in music there are no right answers.

that is simply idiotic.

It's not.
If there are always right answers, what is creativity than?
Choosing one of them?
Is creativity a multible choice question?

If that would be the case I'd stop making music in a heartbeat.

Cheers
Dennis

[jancivil]

as the absolutist statement it is, I find it seriously thoughtless. I just showed why actually.

If there are always right answers

I never said that. Where is this 'always'? That is in fact your invention. You will always score points against the straw man you build for that purpose. You could choose to address things more thoughtfully.

[Tricky-Loops]

You're clipping my remarks to get to something you can make ridiculous? How utterly stupid a display.

If that's your right answer, it won't be true...

[jancivil]

You're presenting a mental age of about ten right now, son.

[Tricky-Loops]

You're presenting a mental age of about ten right now, son.

Even that isn't the right answer and it won't be true...

[lingyai]

Refreshing to see how after checking in on this sub-forum for the first time in months, absolutely nothing has changed

[Bronto Scorpio]

Refreshing to see how after checking in on this sub-forum for the first time in months, absolutely nothing has changed

Indeed. I don't even know why I keep clicking on this thread/sub forum.

Cheers
Dennis

[Tricky-Loops]

Refreshing to see how after checking in on this sub-forum for the first time in months, absolutely nothing has changed

Indeed. I don't even know why I keep clicking on this thread/sub forum.

Cheers
Dennis

Maybe because you want to get in contact with friendly nice people like Jancivil...or your strawman is too big, dunno...YOU WILL FIND THE RIGHT ANSWERS IN MUSIC...

[vurt]

You, vurt, just implied that music is just a great free-for-all.

thats how you read it perhaps.

what is there then, John? Are you going to, seriously, stand behind 'in music there are no right answers'? It's rather all-encompassing and absolute, is it not? Do you seriously believe it's a proper answer to what I said? There are wrong answers in music, actually. There are procedures in a particular practice style that produce better results, that if you ignore them you will produce worse results, per that style requirement. You do not make that vanish by some high-flying blanket assertion.

there are many choices in music, the final decision being "right" in the sense thats its an artistic choice. and different people have different requirements from making music, so what is right for you may not be right for thers, so in vague terms there are no right answers in comparison with mathematics which gives an absolute undeniable solution, no artistic choice.

[Hink]

Refreshing to see how after checking in on this sub-forum for the first time in months, absolutely nothing has changed

Indeed. I don't even know why I keep clicking on this thread/sub forum.

Cheers
Dennis

I rarely post in here because of those people but I do read a lot because first there are some awesome people in this forum who are real and offer great learning experiences. Second you can learn from those who look down on you and why not? As I have said before...you dont have to like someone to learn from them. Their arrogance is their problem, but if they want to give away their knowledge I wont complain...their ego and need to be better than the rest of us does nothing for them but does improve my experience as a musician.

With that said, those who talk to us and not down to us or at us...thank you

[jancivil]

You, vurt, just implied that music is just a great free-for-all.

thats how you read it perhaps.

what is there then, John? Are you going to, seriously, stand behind 'in music there are no right answers'? It's rather all-encompassing and absolute, is it not? Do you seriously believe it's a proper answer to what I said? There are wrong answers in music, actually. There are procedures in a particular practice style that produce better results, that if you ignore them you will produce worse results, per that style requirement. You do not make that vanish by some high-flying blanket assertion.

there are many choices in music, the final decision being "right" in the sense thats its an artistic choice. and different people have different requirements from making music, so what is right for you may not be right for thers, so in vague terms there are no right answers in comparison with mathematics which gives an absolute undeniable solution, no artistic choice.

that doesn't address my point or question at all.

[Tricky-Loops]

You, vurt, just implied that music is just a great free-for-all.

thats how you read it perhaps.

what is there then, John? Are you going to, seriously, stand behind 'in music there are no right answers'? It's rather all-encompassing and absolute, is it not? Do you seriously believe it's a proper answer to what I said? There are wrong answers in music, actually. There are procedures in a particular practice style that produce better results, that if you ignore them you will produce worse results, per that style requirement. You do not make that vanish by some high-flying blanket assertion.

there are many choices in music, the final decision being "right" in the sense thats its an artistic choice. and different people have different requirements from making music, so what is right for you may not be right for thers, so in vague terms there are no right answers in comparison with mathematics which gives an absolute undeniable solution, no artistic choice.

OTOS without mathematic you wouldn't hear any sound from your plugins/computer/soundcard. Every treatment of the sound is calculated (in your computer) as a mathematic algorithm...so if you look at it properly, you could even say that music indeed IS mathematic.

[jancivil]

I rarely post in here because of those people but I do read a lot because first there are some awesome people in this forum who are real and offer great learning experiences. Second you can learn from those who look down on you and why not? As I have said before...you dont have to like someone to learn from them. Their arrogance is their problem, but if they want to give away their knowledge I wont complain...their ego and need to be better than the rest of us does nothing for them but does improve my experience as a musician.

With that said, those who talk to us and not down to us or at us...thank you

That's framing what is in reality a personal attack in SUCH a cute way, as if to disguise it. I know where I stand in the world very well. I have no need to be anything I'm not. I need to be better in music than I was yesterday. The approbation of people here is of no moment to me.

I know where I am and I always have. I am humble to music and to anyone that has something I can learn from. When I went to school, there were elites. there are people that will always be better than I was, and then nearly everyone was. You do NOT learn going around with a chip on your shoulder and calling them names, 'elitists', 'snobs'. You might get your feelings hurt. The first time I played with professionals I was a little kid and they had no respect for me! I kept my mouth SHUT though.

I have an opinion that people need to make into this 'elitist' as if there is some intrinsic moral value in making equal all persons. There are elites in fields. There are people that sought to attain a level of accomplishment. I imagine you have done. I think it's a little bit sick to try and make people ashamed like this.

[Hink]

You, vurt, just implied that music is just a great free-for-all.

thats how you read it perhaps.

what is there then, John? Are you going to, seriously, stand behind 'in music there are no right answers'? It's rather all-encompassing and absolute, is it not? Do you seriously believe it's a proper answer to what I said? There are wrong answers in music, actually. There are procedures in a particular practice style that produce better results, that if you ignore them you will produce worse results, per that style requirement. You do not make that vanish by some high-flying blanket assertion.

there are many choices in music, the final decision being "right" in the sense thats its an artistic choice. and different people have different requirements from making music, so what is right for you may not be right for thers, so in vague terms there are no right answers in comparison with mathematics which gives an absolute undeniable solution, no artistic choice.

OTOS without mathematic you wouldn't hear any sound from your plugins/computer/soundcard. Every treatment of the sound is calculated (in your computer) as a mathematic algorithm...so if you look at it properly, you could even say that music indeed IS mathematic.

that's not the point...the point comes down to creative thinking vs critical thinking. Math requires critical thinking and proof of concept...in music there should be no such thing. Like a famous quote says Use what talents you possess: the woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

So again, the question comes back to who has the right to say what is right or wrong in music? While with math there are ways to prove what is right or wrong...that's the point vurt is trying to make I believe.