iZotope Iris

[Caine123]

@TwoToneshuzz:
i muted you but even IZOTOPE considers my idea for having timestretching in it:

"Hi ******,

Thank you for contacting us, and for your interest in Iris.

The functionality you described is currently not available in Iris. I do agree this would be a useful feature. I have forwarded your request to the Iris team for their consideration for future Iris updates.

If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks!

Sincerely,
Joel"

i guess they are too just not experienced enough to consider this and agree on this? poor izotope should hire you for your greatness !

[Sampleconstruct]

@TwoToneshuzz:
i muted you but even IZOTOPE considers my idea for having timestretching in it:

"Hi ******,

Thank you for contacting us, and for your interest in Iris.

The functionality you described is currently not available in Iris. I do agree this would be a useful feature. I have forwarded your request to the Iris team for their consideration for future Iris updates.

If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks!

Sincerely,
Joel"

i guess they are too just not experienced enough to consider this and agree on this? poor izotope should hire you for your greatness !

"Your" idea of timestretching - LOL

[TwoToneshuzz]

Welcome to the real world whyte Rbu. You take my tirade personally I see. Thet could be a good thing..

It's clear that you can be pushy by your last post, 18000+ posts in the last ten years on this forum has taught you much. Problem is I'm no push over so here you meet the Wall.

Nice to see though how you've been so good to iZotope all these years..

Wonder where the love is gone. When they release a new product 6 months ago this gets them in to deep trouble if they don't release a Whole number update within when? When would it suit you? It's going to be a miserable ride with this issue being brought up at every turn in the debate..

As an interested party this line of thinking gives the impression that there are drastic problems that need attention. Giving lost sales as a result. The value of your history of "support" for iZotope seems in this case to be imploding. Becuase even if you can't see it appears you are on the bandwagon of the myth of the slow development of Iris. In this specific case it amounts to a misinformation campaign. A Small group that brings the subject up again and again makes the problem seems bigger than it is. When it's out in the open now that it is a small group of people apparently disgruntled with developers in general perhaps but in this case it's iZotope because of having a broad range of activities gets bad marks for lack of development on some products and slow development on others.

Despite all the msiinformation I bought iZotope Iris, and enjoy using Iris immensly. I'm taking some heat for my statements, because I dared to document a state of things which anyone who cares to can discover for themselves by reading up the thread. I can take the heat but I also rest easy knowing that it's a safer more informed thread when the cards get laid down on the table.. Heat from two or three users and one undecided non owner, big world out there so there's plenty to take up the slack.

Can be that everything I said in my post was not wholly aimed directly at you whyterabbit, if I'm wrong it's easy to admit it, though apologies don't seem that important as you seem to be an expert at fighting back. Ah well words are cheap. But to me what is interesting is to observe the tone and the content of your counter statments. You apparently are not guilty as charged. But still with not much a of streach somethings I have written could apply to you.

You've stated your background with the company. You have clout with some other users on KVR it seems but to others even with your 18000+ post history here on KVR they will use their own judgememt. They can read both of our posts on this subject see the tone of our writing and come to their own coclusions..

I recognized a pattern in this thread. Posters who gave a false impression of the state of a product I was interested in. I was not pleased to be misinformed. I attack the next cowboy that comes in the door. Life hurts.. No apologies necessary..

[goldenanalog]

Heat from two or three users and one undecided non owner, big world out there so there's plenty to take up the slack.

If you are referring to me as the 'undecided non owner' in this thread, I bought it, TwoToneshuzz! I got it from AudioDeluxe at the $209 price including the +5 pack (and downloaded the free Monster Pack Oct 31st while it was available) So far, my impression is that Iris looks like 'Photoshop for Audio' although it will take a while to deciper what I see in the Sonogram, so that I can do 'logical' 'target' manipulating.

But to be fair to myself: I was the first kid on my block with a Yamaha DX-7; I put extraordinary time into it's arcane interface programming every type of sound that you could imagine; all the while being at least semi-stumped with it's 6 operator/32 algorithm sound architecture.

Anyway, back to subject: I can see HUGE potential for this method of synthesis, especially if you compare it directly with Photoshop; so it would be easy to see 'real' users getting frustrated because, to repeat, the potential for manipulation is off-the-charts....

And we need to see Iris' use as thoroughly explained as possible (for fast-track programming purposes) or what you have is a repeat of the DX-7 situation where everybody knew that it was revolutionary but nobody knew what they were doing when it came to programming it....

Understand that what I said about putting (or having at least the option of putting) a known interface on it was directed for the benefit of everyone involved (including Izotope) so that this extraordinary 'synth' (is that what it is? Or?) can be digested by anyone and everyone who is and are genuinely interested.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Hi golden analog. Actually it wasn't you that I meant. You arrived late to the dicussion and weren't predisposed in anyway to slow development or lack of features.You had an honest issue with the interface seeming needlessly difficult and that was fair enough. And of course you are right it is always better to have as straight forward and clearly explained an interface as possible.

Understanding the Sonogram in depth might be done by reading up on the Sonogram and it's usage in past applications as you are right there's not that much written on Iris and the Sonogram specifically.

Personally I don't have a great deal of knowledge about Sonograms and direct painting on the image to alter the spectral content. I worked with an early program with Sonogram painting back in 1996 Called Audiosculpt that was hugely expensive, like $2000 and very slow but it was an interesting experience..But being so slow I didn't spend that much time with it.

I think when working with a Sonogram painting it's key to use all of what you know about sound,mixing equalization. Basic arrangement of instruments instrumentation Percusion placement in the mix and so on and try and apply this in this new framework. All the elements of musical state are can be in sonogram framework. You then pick out your elements, the more musically savy your work is the better the results will be.

I'm so relieved I've got this tool now so I guess that explains my intensity in this debate.

It's not the do all end all tool, but for me it's going to be a great learning resource. Also the new approach will free up energies in my creativity that have become hidebound and static.

Use what you know and apply it to the new interface and get a third thing going.

Great that you got in on the Deal, there's boatloads of materiel to study that can reveal many interesting wasy to work with sonograms. Also saves time having access to all that sample materiel that was created and gathered with the specific intention to be reworked using the Iris interface..

[goldenanalog]

Hi golden analog. Actually it wasn't you that I meant. Here you came in late at it was just the interface thing that was fair enough. And it is always better to have as straight forward and clearly explained an interface as possible.

Understanding the Sonogram in depth might be done by reading up on the Sonogram and it's usage in past applications as you are right there's not that much written on Iris and the Sonogram specifically.

Personally I don't know that much about it either. I worked with an early program with Sonogram painting back in 1994 Called Audiosculpt that was hugely expensive, like $2000 and very slow but it was an interesting experience..

I think when working with a Sonogram painting it's key to use all of what you know about mixing equalization. Basic arrangement of instruments. Percusion placement in the mix. and try and apply this in this new framework. All the elements of musical state are in the sonogram framework. You then pick out your elements, the more musically savy your work is the better the results will be.

I'm so relieved I've got this tool now so I guess that explains my intensity in this debate.

It's not the do all end all tool, but for me it's going to be a great learning resource. But also the new approach will free up energies in my creativity that have been come hidebound and static.

Use what you know and apply it to the new interface and get a third thing going.

Great that you got in on the Deal, there's losts of materiel to study that can reveal many interesting wasy to work with sonograms. Also saves time having all that sample material that was created and gathered with the specific intention to be reworked using the Iris interface..

Good post, TwoToneshuzz!

What you just said makes a lot of sense; I'll probably re-read your post several times and think about Iris' synthesis methodology (plus play around with Iris initially superficially) in order to start to soak Iris' world into this old brain...

Yeah: Even without a more sophisticated Photoshop-like toolset, Iris is going to be a crazy, crazy, journey...

Thanks again for your post, TwoToneshuzz!

-goldenanalog

Edit: I don't want to downplay the tools that Iris already has, and it's ability to work in a photo-manipulation sort of way; but since it's a brand-new synth platform (in the context of real-time synthesis), Izotope may well be thinking to themselves (at least internally) about where do they go from here; waiting to see to what extent the industry embraces Iris and what adds it asks for.

My guess is that the algo's used in Iris are quite sophisticated (in spite of their being 'borrowed' from RX), so reworking what's already there may well require patent-level DSP IP dev and consequentially extended product dev time.

[Shabdahbriah]

@TwoToneshuzz:
i muted you but even IZOTOPE considers my idea for having timestretching in it:

"Hi ******,

Thank you for contacting us, and for your interest in Iris.

The functionality you described is currently not available in Iris. I do agree this would be a useful feature. I have forwarded your request to the Iris team for their consideration for future Iris updates.

If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks!

Sincerely,
Joel"

i guess they are too just not experienced enough to consider this and agree on this? poor izotope should hire you for your greatness !

"Your" idea of timestretching - LOL

I dibs: "image-import/export" as my contribution to the FR list(s), though it might (to some) seem a no-brainer.

Thank me later.

[Caine123]

if you get the extra sound packs, are there also separate WAV files included?

is the offer still available for 209 bucks if so for how long?

[Shabdahbriah]

if you get the extra sound packs, are there also separate WAV files included?

Yes, like a gig+ IIRC

is the offer still available for 209 bucks if so for how long?

Yes

... don't know how long.

[edit] Check 'em out: Here

[TwoToneshuzz]

I've been going into depth with the Iris, I noticed that aMused was interested in hearing about the Voice expansion.

I've made kind of spacey demo with it exclusively.

There's a huge amount of material in voice expansion so this demo is in no way representative of the scope using 5 instances of Iris. One instance played the others sequenced in Numerology 3 pro.


Only the Iris internal effects were used.

http://soundcloud.com/twotoneshuzz/voic ... o1/s-7x7T9

[TwoToneshuzz]

Preset Demo of the Voice expansion

Not any fancy tricks here it's just raw sounds as they are in the bank.

Played live in StandAlone modus captured using Audio Hijack Pro. Then edited fast and dirty using Fission both Audio Hijack and Fission are by Rogue Amoeba.

http://soundcloud.com/twotoneshuzz/voic ... mo/s-XvD4j

[lightsfadelow]

Thanks for posting. Interesting sounds. I don't have this one, but I might have to buy it. Still having trouble just keeping up with Simon's awesome subscription

[TwoToneshuzz]

Thanks for posting. Interesting sounds. I don't have this one, but I might have to buy it. Still having trouble just keeping up with Simon's awesome subscription

I would say that Simons sound are the must buy first item, Then it's interesting to get another angle on Iris sound design.

I see this bank as being great for theater and games production. And just learning the ropes..

Zooming out to see the whole body of material,
with the standard library, the 5 extra soundsets Wood, Glass, Toys Voice Food the Halloween gift bank Monsters (greatwork too) and the Patchpool subsription there is a lot of material to suddenly have, and looking through is taking this week here...perhaps months of Exploration awaits.. I think that says something about the Depth of the work here. It's not like these sounds are the result ofjust turning a few dials pressing random genarate and moving on to the next sound. These sounds are painstake-ingly contstructed from original sample material. Athough some of the sounds don't seem that useful at first glance, with tweaking and putting them in the right context, it can really sit well in the mix. it's not just me too garbage at all, really creative stuff.

So I have a smile on my face while I'm exploring.

Actually I think I'll record preset run throughs for myself. It makes a document of my first impression of a sound for one, Also I made a list of all the sounds as I went through this and that will save time when I need to find these again.

[Pixelwarrior]

Is there something Iris can do to the sound that I can't do with Ableton's Sampler and an automated EQ?

[dayjob]

Is there something Iris can do to the sound that I can't do with Ableton's Sampler and an automated EQ?

watch the videos on izotopes site for more detail then you can decide.