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SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:16 am

Mutant wrote:[
I could easily make LuSH click way more than what i heard in your Sylenth example.

I could even freely shape the click and make it transform into a pop or a bang using just few very basic features of the synth.

Unusable ?

L O L x 2

Aha, and i can make mega-clicks transforming into pops in toilet, lol
But i know one more secret sound design technique - it's to knock on the desktop with box from synth - resulting veerryy good clicks, lol

fluxmind · Post by **fluxmind** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:43 am

I'm still wondering, what other synths come close to that sylenth sound, since it was stated so passionately

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:56 am

fluxmind wrote:
SoulState wrote: Try at least to come close to Sylenth's dynamic of sound and punch.
Trying to achieve the same sounds with other synths is pointless waste of time, I know it from experience

Yes i agree about to achieving exactly the same sounds, but i talking about not to recreating exactly the same sound, but about overall sound character of synths. Some of them can sound more punchy due to it's design and modulation abilities.
I talking about - show me any really punchy and dynamic bass sound coming from Lush.

More examples of good dynamic sounds:
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/zebra-punchy
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/sylenth-punchy
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/cypher-punchy
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/strobe-punchy
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/largo-punch-01
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/largo-punch-02
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/largo-punch-03
Not really that "punchy":
http://soundcloud.com/tests-1/discovery-punch

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:57 am

You mean Sylenth sounds like Sylenth? Interesting concept you have going there!

FWIW - the Sylenth mega click in the linked example is not reproducible using the SH-101 hardware either. Programmed correctly, LuSH-101 sound very similar to the Roland. Which would be the point of LuSH-101, no?

Peace,
Andy.

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:58 am

fluxmind wrote:I'm still wondering, what other synths come close to that sylenth sound, since it was stated so passionately

It's not about to that "sylenth sound", you don't get it at all...

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:05 am

ZenPunkHippy wrote: FWIW - the Sylenth mega click in the linked example is not reproducible using the SH-101 hardware either. Programmed correctly, LuSH-101 sound very similar to the Roland. Which would be the point of LuSH-101, no?

Peace,
Andy.

I don't care is it not reproducible using the SH-101 hardware or not, i just want synth for work, not for jerking on roland's old stuff...
I just don't get the point why most developers making synths for some old hardware fetish guys and not for REAL WORK.
Ok, virtual copy of some old crap is way more easy to sell, i get it...

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:10 am

SoulState wrote:I don't care is it not reproducible using the SH-101 hardware or not, i just want synth for work, not for jerking on roland's old stuff...
I just don't get the point why most developers making synths for some old hardware fetish guys and not for REAL WORK.
Ok, virtual copy of some old crap is way more easy to sell, i get it...

Oh FFS. This about worthy of the label "trolling". If you don't want the old Roland sound, why are you here? What't the freakin' point?

LuSH-101 is explicitly designed as an emulation of a classic piece of hardware. Those who want to "jerk on Rolands old stuff" will purchase LuSH-101 and walk away very happy customers - because it does what it sets out to do with style.

Those who want to use some other synth to create non-Roland sounds will do that.

Now who doesn't get it?

Peace,
Andy.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:12 am

Corona has extremely fast envelopes, especially if you set them to .. to ......... well, there's a popdown with three modes to choose from, the one furthest down is ultrafast

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:28 am

Maybe you could try Tal's U-NO-LX or DIVA which are also, obviously, trying to emulate analog hardware. Then you could complain on them as well!

Im not sure if you're just trying to save face but it's not going to work.

You have to choose if you can let yourself be proven wrong or pick a reality where you're always right and then constantly be in conflict.

Maybe it's best if you started to pretend it was a misunderstanding and walk away.

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:29 am

ZenPunkHippy wrote:
SoulState wrote: Those who want to use some other synth to create non-Roland sounds will do that.

Yes, it is obvious.
But i see no point of just exactly copying all architecture and controls, why not to go some further and add some extra veatures like fast env's? In one click "old Roland" becomes modern synth beast with his "Roland" sound character, but way more versatile.
I just tired from never ending "analog emulations" of same old synths. If you want an old synth - just go and buy it.
I looking in future, but future is covered with a gloom...

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:40 am

SoulState wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
SoulState wrote: Those who want to use some other synth to create non-Roland sounds will do that.
Yes, it is obvious.
But i see no point of just exactly copying all architecture and controls, why not to go some further and add some extra veatures like fast env's? In one click "old Roland" becomes modern synth beast with his "Roland" sound character, but way more versatile.
I just tired from never ending "analog emulations" of same old synths. If you want an old synth - just go and buy it.
I looking in future, but future is covered with a gloom...

Lush does have plenty of extra features not found on an SH-101. Perhaps fast envelopes simply weren't at the top of their feature list? D16 have already stated that they intend to continue developing and improving this synth... why not submit a feature request? Personally, I would love a third envelope, and a fast exponential curve, but the lack of those features is not causing my world to come crashing down around me.

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:58 am

Crackbaby wrote: You have to choose if you can let yourself be proven wrong or pick a reality where you're always right and then constantly be in conflict.

Maybe it's best if you started to pretend it was a misunderstanding and walk away.

The main thing i want to find out is why most of really good developers so narrow minded in terms of overall concept.
For now we have two main categories of synths:
Few versatile workstations with average "digital" sound, like Sylenth1, Zebra, Gladiator, etc...
And millions of "Analog emulations", some of them really has top notch "analog" sounding like Diva or Lush... but very limited in features compared to synths in first category.

Just imagine Zebra or Sylent1 with sound of Diva or Lush. That's what I mean.
I dreaming of versatile soft synth with handy interface with sound from Diva or Lush league.
Synths in this category are existing - it's hardware v/a's like Nord lead, Virus, etc. But it's "harware" (software in a box), not vst, you can't load 20 nord leads in your host

... Virus Powercore and Creamware stuff is way to go it terms of usefulness, but you need card anyway.

SoulState · Post by **SoulState** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:09 am

deastman wrote: Lush does have plenty of extra features not found on an SH-101. Perhaps fast envelopes simply weren't at the top of their feature list? D16 have already stated that they intend to continue developing and improving this synth... why not submit a feature request? Personally, I would love a third envelope, and a fast exponential curve, but the lack of those features is not causing my world to come crashing down around me.

Ok, i just clarified that without a fast exponential curve world is crashing only around me) Glad what other people happy with that they have

Just in my mind it is very basic stuff, not something "extra"...
I will beg dev's from d16 to add that thing...

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:31 am

SoulState why are you so desperately trying to prove that you can't understand that fast envelopes are not the only way to achieve the punchiness and dynamics you want ?

Instead of trolling here and making us all laugh at you, fire up your DAW and experiment with the synth more, be unconventional, be creative and maybe you will learn how to get the type of sound out of LuSH-101.

The sound will not be exactly like your Sylenth examples, but will be as punchy, as dynamic as you want.

Really.

fluxmind · Post by **fluxmind** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:04 am

Plus Sylenth by default has it's oscillators set to "reset", this is where most of the punch comes from, I assume you didn't turn off resetting.
But yes LuSH envelopes are different in terms of snappiness, as compared to others, but LuSH is a different beast, and it's not a limitation, unless you insist on snappy Env's
http://soundcloud.com/jpmcqueen/sets/lush-101-env-test