Confirmed working with Lightning iPad

[kpsychedelic]

The only downside so far of this setup is that my iPad is not recharging while connected to the powered hub. So my sessions will still rely on the iPad's battery life.

But is this a general iPad premise, or BEFORE this you were able to recharge at same time? (Without the USB-to-Lighting on the middle).
Of course I must have misread or maybe I haven't been around for months so I don't know you yet and you could just be a "new" iPad owner without owning a previous iPad.
I say that because well, from all I connect to the iPad it never recharges itself like that (connected to something via the CCK).

No, their new iPad ate it, because it's so much faster the old one is useless..

Just have to laugh when people,say things like that. Like apps that used to work fine on the older model suddenly become completely non functional when something newer comes along....

Don't know if it's something to laugh about... maybe it's a medical condition?

Why would I do away with my very functional iPad+IO Dock just because something new & shiny appears?

Get over it grandpa
You're just a bit touchy because your iPad 3 was rendered void, nullified, zero, /dev/null'd. You might as well give that to the grandchildren so they can play Angry Turds.
But ya, maybe that and the people going crazy on line a week before might be the reason we're called iTards, iSheeps and whatnot.
The iPad 4 looks cool but nothing changed and not like developers are going crazy to support that and void their current user base of iPad 1,2,3 users out there who won't bother buying the iPad 4.
But then tech news and numbers go along (and also keynotes and turtlenecks with "greatness" statements about new products). Anyway...!!!!

On a serious note, it's cool to know the USB-to-Lighting connector works fine and things just work fine as before, with the couple inches more of "cumbersomeness".
Good to know so when I order my iPad 6.

The IO Dock well, I don't really like "stick that in" type devices, I like the future-proofness of a regular USB interface that can also, "incidentally" work with a Mac or PC.

The Roland EX Duo whatever looks like a winner, specially with the Midi connections, but $200 USD, I doubt I'd consider that for a "portable" solution (call me a cheapstake if you might).

I thought the new Apple connection standard was called Thunderbolt?! ...... Or is that something else?

Thunderbolt is the "USB competitor" that Apple has been trying to throw at people, but have failed on their attempt as the reception has not been as worldwide as they wished. Matter of fact many people thought the new Macs of 2012 would NOT sport USB in favor of just thunderbolt, but nope, all of those shiny Macs have USB 3.0 now.
Lighting is just the new pin-connector for the iPod Touch 5, iPhone 5, iPad 4, iPad Mini, smaller than the old one and now you can plug it in any direction. I believe they called it lighting because like every apple product, it's ten billion (or trillion?) times faster than the old product released a couple months before (and YES I am an Apple supporter but I can still make fun of them).
This is off topic of course, but so to respond in case google did not answer you yet, anyway.

[T-CM11]

Don't know if it's something to laugh about... maybe it's a medical condition?

Why would I do away with my very functional iPad+IO Dock just because something new & shiny appears?

Get over it grandpa
You're just a bit touchy because your iPad 3 was rendered void, nullified, zero, /dev/null'd. You might as well give that to the grandchildren so they can play Angry Turds.

I have an iPad 2 btw., and no iPad can be magically "rendered void, nullified, zero, /dev/null'd". Maybe you should quit the Harry Potter diet

[Aural Chaos]

It's probably because my iPad2 is the first Apple device I've ever owned that mine didn't become automatically obsolete when they released 2 newer models- apparently that sort of thing only happens to fanboys....

[Albert.VST]

On the 'old' iPad ones MIDI and audio interface USB connectivity used the 30-pin Camera Connection Kit (CCK, that has a USB port).
The new iPad '4' with lightning connector has several accessoires. Which one do I need best to connect a suitable MIDI keyboard or audio interface (or powered USB-hub)?
- Lightning to USB camera adapter
- Lightning to micro USB connector
- Lightning to USB cable

Or do I need to go the complex way:
- Lightning to 30-pin adapter, together with the 'old' CCK
- Lightning to 30-pin cable, together with the 'old' CCK

[polaris20]

No, their new iPad ate it, because it's so much faster the old one is useless..

Just have to laugh when people,say things like that. Like apps that used to work fine on the older model suddenly become completely non functional when something newer comes along....

Don't know if it's something to laugh about... maybe it's a medical condition?

Why would I do away with my very functional iPad+IO Dock just because something new & shiny appears?

No one said you had to upgrade. But if you decided to go from an iPad 1 to a 4 for reasons other than just audio, why would you want to have to hold onto the old one, just so your audio dock would work? That's my point.

EDIT After reading the rest of the thread, you guys are TOTALLY misinterpreting what I said.

I'm not saying "a new iPad is out, therefore your old one is automagically useless", I'm saying if someone did buy the new one because they wanted to, their old one is pointless to keep around just for audio (IMO), just so they could use it with their IO Dock.

I didn't bother with the new one either, because I went from 1 to 3. Despite the 4 being faster, I don't see the need yet to move.

I would be extremely pissed if I already owned the Alesis (or Digitech floorboard) and they changed the dock connector on the iPad (as they did on the 4 and mini), rendering the dock either useless or at the very least cumbersome with my new device. It's exactly why I'm happy to see companies like Roland, Tascam, and Focusrite coming out with regular interface solutions, instead of silly docks.

[T-CM11]

why would you want to have to hold onto the old one

1. It still does everything it originally did when you bought it.
2. You can use it as an extra midi controller. Or for an extra synth; it's a lot easier to have another one next to it full screen, instead of multi-tasking.
3. Why do people keep their old synths (hardware or software) when new ones get released? (I use my iPad as I would a hardware synth/midi controller, not as a mobile media consumption device.)

[polaris20]

Thunderbolt is the "USB competitor" that Apple has been trying to throw at people, but have failed on their attempt as the reception has not been as worldwide as they wished. Matter of fact many people thought the new Macs of 2012 would NOT sport USB in favor of just thunderbolt, but nope, all of those shiny Macs have USB 3.0 now.
Lighting is just the new pin-connector for the iPod Touch 5, iPhone 5, iPad 4, iPad Mini, smaller than the old one and now you can plug it in any direction. I believe they called it lighting because like every apple product, it's ten billion (or trillion?) times faster than the old product released a couple months before (and YES I am an Apple supporter but I can still make fun of them).
This is off topic of course, but so to respond in case google did not answer you yet, anyway.

Actually, Thunderbolt is probably more analogous to firewire than it is a USB replacement, which is why you still see USB3.0 showing up on all Macs (except the MP) now.

There's the fact that Thunderbolt is theoretically twice as fast (10Gbps vs. 5Gbps), can scale to 100Gbps (if it's ever implemented with fiber), and allows for daisy chaining, which (someone correct me if I'm wrong) USB can't do. I like having both USB and Thunderbolt, as I think they suit different purposes which sometimes overlap. Like right now at work, I've got my MBP on a stand, with just power and Thunderbolt going to it from my display. On the back of my display I've got gigabit ethernet, a firewire drive, a USB drive, and a hub hanging off of it.

Thunderbolt is showing up more in pro video and higher end audio then it will in run of the mill hard drives, simply because USB3.0 is cheaper to implement and yet still extremely fast. The only time I think you'll really see a benefit of Thunderbolt over USB3.0 in terms of hard drives is if you've got a multi-drive enclosure with striped drives. Otherwise it'll be tough to actually saturate USB3.0.

[polaris20]

why would you want to have to hold onto the old one

1. It still does everything it originally did when you bought it.
2. You can use it as an extra midi controller. Or for an extra synth; it's a lot easier to have another one next to it full screen, instead of multi-tasking.
3. Why do people keep their old synths (hardware or software) when new ones get released? (I use my iPad as I would a hardware synth/midi controller, not as a mobile media consumption device.)

Right, but you just bought a new iPad, because A. your company got it for you, B. you got it as a gift, or C. you just felt like it. So you're going to keep using the old one just for audio, because it's the only one that works with your dock?

See, I use my iPad for A. content creation with audio, B. video editing quick stuff, C. photo editing, D. content consumption, E. document editing.

I don't want to have to maintain/carry two separate devices due to an accessory only working with one.

I got the 3 from my company, so I gave the 1 to the wife/kids. I didn't want to have to deal with two iPads, ya know?

We're arguing personal preference at this point, but that's why I think the docks are silly, and the regular interfaces are more future proof.

[T-CM11]

We're arguing personal preference at this point, but that's why I think the docks are silly, and the regular interfaces are more future proof.

Well, preference AND budget. I will never get an iPad as a present, and for me it's a very expensive item.
If I ever buy a new iPad, I'll also need a new audio/midi interface, because I will keep the old one.

[T-CM11]

Right, but you just bought a new iPad, because A. your company got it for you, B. you got it as a gift, or C. you just felt like it. So you're going to keep using the old one just for audio, because it's the only one that works with your dock?

D. Careful consideration. My money tree is a Bonsai.

[polaris20]

We're arguing personal preference at this point, but that's why I think the docks are silly, and the regular interfaces are more future proof.

Well, preference AND budget. I will never get an iPad as a present, and for me it's a very expensive item.
If I ever buy a new iPad, I'll also need a new audio/midi interface, because I will keep the old one.

Well of course budget too; I was just using gift as an example, though I sure as hell would never just buy someone an iPad (well, maybe my wife ).

At this point I think I dig the Roland the most, just because it doesn't have a dedicated dock or Lightning cable. While the Focusrite is cool, with the newer stuff you'll either have to wait and see if they come out with a new cable, or use the 30-pin to Lightning adapter. With the Roland, you just use the CCK and be done with it, plus it does a little more anyway.

[iPlogger]

No one said you had to upgrade. But if you decided to go from an iPad 1 to a 4 for reasons other than just audio, why would you want to have to hold onto the old one, just so your audio dock would work? That's my point.

I just went from an iPad 1 to a 4, don't have the Alesis IO Dock, but still plan on keeping it for audio reasons.

T-CM11 said it exactly: "You can use it as an extra midi controller. Or for an extra synth; it's a lot easier to have another one next to it full screen, instead of multi-tasking." In live situations, having quick access (without having to app switch) is important. Plus, I can now use two IMS-20s and sync the two or maybe create layers with two Addictive Synth sounds or two Animoog sounds. Originally I had planned to sell the older iPad, but when I recently got the iConnectMIDI, it really opened my eyes to an expanded world and having a second iPad will be helpful.

But it IS hard to figure out if the ability to play games and give it to my daughter may have something to do with wanting to keep it as well.

[polaris20]

No one said you had to upgrade. But if you decided to go from an iPad 1 to a 4 for reasons other than just audio, why would you want to have to hold onto the old one, just so your audio dock would work? That's my point.

I just went from an iPad 1 to a 4, don't have the Alesis IO Dock, but still plan on keeping it for audio reasons.

T-CM11 said it exactly: "You can use it as an extra midi controller. Or for an extra synth; it's a lot easier to have another one next to it full screen, instead of multi-tasking." In live situations, having quick access (without having to app switch) is important. Plus, I can now use two IMS-20s and sync the two or maybe create layers with two Addictive Synth sounds or two Animoog sounds. Originally I had planned to sell the older iPad, but when I recently got the iConnectMIDI, it really opened my eyes to an expanded world and having a second iPad will be helpful.

But it IS hard to figure out if the ability to play games and give it to my daughter may have something to do with wanting to keep it as well.

There's also a significant difference between wanting to keep an older device around for other uses, and having to keep it around because of old accessories being incompatible with the newer device you just bought.

[flbrad]

On the 'old' iPad ones MIDI and audio interface USB connectivity used the 30-pin Camera Connection Kit (CCK, that has a USB port).
The new iPad '4' with lightning connector has several accessoires. Which one do I need best to connect a suitable MIDI keyboard or audio interface (or powered USB-hub)?
- Lightning to USB camera adapter
- Lightning to micro USB connector
- Lightning to USB cable

Or do I need to go the complex way:
- Lightning to 30-pin adapter, together with the 'old' CCK
- Lightning to 30-pin cable, together with the 'old' CCK

The Lightning to USB camera adapter is the simplest solution, then just plug your audio interface with a USB cable to it, or place a powered USB hub between.

The Lightning to micro USB is similar, but with smaller USB connector.

The lightning to USB goes to a MALE USB end, used to plug into a laptop, computer or the power plug to charge etc. Not what you need.


Regarding upgrading from iPad 1 and the possibility that an IOS device can become null and void... Yes, it can happen. My original iPhone eventually would not accept the newer IOS versions, it is stuck on 3.1 or so. Eventually this leads to the device NOT working with apps that are built to require a higher IOS version, such as 4.0 etc. So my original iPhone, while it technically still works, will not work with today's apps. And that is not even taking into consideration it is slow etc.

So eventually the original iPad will find this happening to it. It may still technically work physically, but will not accept IOS version X.0 or whatever comes down the line. All apps will be coded to work with a version of IOS that the original iPad can't accept, thus rendering it rather less useful.

Granted, this can take time, but it will happen. Finding that right time to trade in or sell old tech like the iPad 1 is tricky. Eventually the trade value becomes so low that it is not worth selling it. The original iPhone value at Gazelle.com for example is now like $10. Even a year ago it was only $50. It functions now as a remote control for my iTunes and an alarm clock.

Today's price for my old iPad was like $120 (32gb ram, 3g). If I waited much longer to trade it in, that value was would only be lower. Sold it private for close to $300, so I figure this was the time to do that before it lost more value.

[iPlogger]

> So eventually the original iPad will find this happening to it. It may still
> technically work physically, but will not accept IOS version X.0

It already has. The last OS for the iPad 1 is 5.x.x. Not too much of an issue right now, but eventually, it will be.