Tone2 Rayblaster: OUT NOW! (demo version available)

[Ingonator]

Ingo! I didn't mean you! Your posts has always been very informative and helpful. I read them with great interest!

What i referred to was the infected Saurus thread where the likes of maxsynths and that other guy really put on a good show. Not to mention what some of the not-Saurus-guys did.

Personally i rather read what you write when you explain the features and possibilities. That way whatever guy at tone2's website/videos won't tickle my ill nerves

Hi,

i apologize for misunderstanding your post.

It's a bit sad that some people like bashing about Tone2 instead of really discussing about the synth. I don't see a sense to "rant" about missing product updates in every thread about a Tone2 product.
If this is posted by customers it makes much more sense to post this in the Tone2 forum or by an email to Bastiaan.

Personally i got 4 synths (ElectraX, Saurus, Gladiator, Rayblaster) from Tone2 (and paid for two of them...) and don't feel that they are unusable or "low-quality" in any sense.


Ingo

[Brittlestem]

Ingo! I didn't mean you! Your posts has always been very informative and helpful. I read them with great interest!

What i referred to was the infected Saurus thread where the likes of maxsynths and that other guy really put on a good show. Not to mention what some of the not-Saurus-guys did.

Personally i rather read what you write when you explain the features and possibilities. That way whatever guy at tone2's website/videos won't tickle my ill nerves

Hi,

i apologize for misunderstanding your post.

It's a bit sad that some people like bashing about Tone2 instead of really discussing about the synth. I don't see a sense to "rant" about missing product updates in every thread about a Tone2 product.
If this is posted by customers it makes much more sense to post this in the Tone2 forum or by an email to Bastiaan.

Personally i got 4 synths (ElectraX, Saurus, Gladiator, Rayblaster) from Tone2 (and paid for two of them...) and don't feel that they are unusable or "low-quality" in any sense.


Ingo

Ah, I assumed you were a Tone2 employee they way you popped up in every thread acting like a fanboi.

[Crackbaby]

That was uncalled for ........ He's someone with insight of the synth and he shares his knowledge ... something every intellectual human being wants to do (that's sense is what built civilization btw)

[Ingonator]

Ah, I assumed you were a Tone2 employee they way you popped up in every thread acting like a fanboi.

No, i started as a normal customer but with some knowledge about beta tests and sound design. I started with Saurus and ElectraX and then participating on the first expansion for Saurus. During that time i was asked to join the Beta testing team and so far i participated in the Gladiator 2.4 Beta test (for which i received a free license) and also in Beta tests for ElectraX (already running but muted during the work on Rayblaster) and now Rayblaster.

With Rayblaster i am doing testing, factory presets and also some waveform content based on a huge amount of single cycle waveforms which i have created during that time, also using DNR Wave Designer and samples from e.g. my Moog Slim Phatty. Additional waveform content is either included with my presets (they are saved with the presets file) or will be part of future expansions.

Anyway i admit i am also a kind of "fanboi" for Tone2, Waldorf and also Xils Lab synths.


Ingo

[ostfront]

Anyway i admit i am also a kind of "fanboi" for Tone2, Waldorf and also Xils Lab synths.


Ingo

What's wrong with that? I don't see anyone protesting against the hordes of fanbois of u-he or valhalla that pop up all over the place. People like to wage wars against perceived 'enemies' whom they see as inferior. Just don't pay attention and keep up the good work!

[Cyforce]

After watching the video several times, i think this could be something really great. Specially through the point, that it's something completely new based on the concept and sound-engine.

And well, all what's new, is a win for the market, only with new concepts and ways are new/never-heard sounds possible. That's why, for example, why i Razor was my personal highlight last year, also if it wasn't something really new, but it catched something existing up and packed it into a mighty tool which offers a high amount for possibilties to create new and modern sounds.

[ariston]

What's wrong with that? I don't see anyone protesting against the hordes of fanbois of u-he or valhalla that pop up all over the place. People like to wage wars against perceived 'enemies' whom they see as inferior. Just don't pay attention and keep up the good work!

I think it's idiotic to call others "fanbois", just because they prefer some things over others. It's asinine, batty, birdbrained, crazy, daffy, daft, dull, dumb, fatuous, foolhardy, foolish, harebrained, imbecile, imbecilic, inane, insane, lunatic, moronic, senseless, silly, squirrelly, thick-witted, and unintelligent. So can we drop it, please? We are all fanbois in one way or another.

This messsage has been brought to you by Roget's Thesaurus.


Carry on.

[Brittlestem]

That was uncalled for ........ He's someone with insight of the synth and he shares his knowledge ... something every intellectual human being wants to do (that's sense is what built civilization btw)

I've no problem with him sharing his insight and knowledge.
And he's also free to complain about those who voice legitimate dissatisfaction with some of Tone2's practices when it becomes a relevant subject within the thread.
You're entirely at liberty to don your armour, jump on your white horse and come riding to his defence.

And seeing as every single FR and BR I've submitted to Tone2 regarding Bifilter, Warmverb and Gladiator has resulted in *nothing* I will, when it is relevant, post to KVR about it.

[Ingonator]

And seeing as every single FR and BR I've submitted to Tone2 regarding Bifilter, Warmverb and Gladiator has resulted in *nothing* I will, when it is relevant, post to KVR about it.

This is no official Tone2 thread so what do you earn by posting this here except an attempt to give some additional bad reputation to Tone2?

Personally i am up to join a beta test for new updates if Tone2 asks me but at the moment i could not do much about your complaints.

I know that this would not be the right thing for everyone but the best way to have a chance in improving a current product or being part of a new one like e.g. Rayblaster would be to apply as a Beta tester.

Anyway during several Beta tests for different companies i have learned that not everything that i proposed as a feature request was implemented at the end (for different reasons) but that's something i learned to live with. I have also learned that some request while sounding very easy could have a huge impact on the overall stability of the plugin. Other problems could be part of OS updates (also with OSX...), changes in the graphics engine of e.g. Windows, problems with certain DAW/host software or moving to 64-bit. Based on all those possible problems it's sometimes amazing how stable some of those products are running...

BTW did not have a single crash with Saurus (still at v1.0) and even with the Rayblaster Beta so far.


Last but not least Tone2 currently offers patches for using 64-bit plugins within Windows 8:
http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?topic=1245.0
http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?topic=1241.0


Ingo

[Brittlestem]

And seeing as every single FR and BR I've submitted to Tone2 regarding Bifilter, Warmverb and Gladiator has resulted in *nothing* I will, when it is relevant, post to KVR about it.

This is no official Tone2 thread so what do you earn by posting this here except an attempt to give some additional bad reputation to Tone2?

I was replying to someone else expressing dissatisfaction at the speed with which Tone2 are releasing new synths and yet not fixing old bugs or implementing oft-asked for FR.

I was engaging in a discussion.

If owning 4 Tone2 products but being unhappy with some of their practices means, as you insinuate, that I am only posting to give them a bad reputation, then so be it.

Perhaps you should contact a moderator to come and clean up this thread and remove the posts expressing opinions differing from your own.

[Ingonator]

If owning 4 Tone2 products but being unhappy with some of their practices means, as you insinuate, that I am only posting to give them a bad reputation, then so be it.

Perhaps you should contact a moderator to come and clean up this thread and remove the posts expressing opinions differing from your own.

First I did not start this thread but i contributed to it (and only quite few comments are replies to those contributions so far...), second i don't have the intention to contact a moderator unless someone is trolling in a way that is unbearable which is not the case so far and third i understand your and others frustration but this thread is simply not the right place for such complaints.

Last but not least i am not interested in that this will the next thread that is locked after short time due to some stupid flame wars.

I hope you get my point now.


Ingo

[Brittlestem]

i understand your and others frustration but this thread is simply not the right place for such complaints.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but I disagree.

[Crackbaby]

Ingo, if you make a waveform with that DNR tool (can't remember the name), can you get it's filter character from that? Even though it doesn't have one? If you take a sine wave, what will happen if you open up the formant control?
It sounds like a ton of fun experimentation .... get me on the beta team please!

[rlahalla]

Ingo, if you make a waveform with that DNR tool (can't remember the name), can you get it's filter character from that?

Wave Designer, and I'm wondering the same thing myself If so, that would be pretty freaking cool.

[Ingonator]

Ingo, if you make a waveform with that DNR tool (can't remember the name), can you get it's filter character from that?

Wave Designer, and I'm wondering the same thing myself If so, that would be pretty freaking cool.

Hi Reason,

first i have to thank you again for inventing Wave Designer which is a great tool, especially in combination with Rayblaster.

I have not tried with a simple Sine wave yet (i'll maybe try) but i have created waveforms based on the Cameleon 5000 additive synth with different combinations of partials. Already with two partials you could get different timbres while turning the Formant knob. With complex waveforms you also receive a complex filter response. In that case while turning the Formant knob you could get a big amount of different timbres.
I have also created long waveforms with multiple additive waveforms (and also with others) and also with some crossfading (done in the loop editor of Wavelab Elements 7) which could be used for some wavetable scanning stuff.

One interesting thing is also to use a waveform based on the Comb- filter of Waldorf Largo. In the lower region of the Formant knob you get very different timbres with just slight adjustments to the knob. With some of the other complex waveforms this is the case too. Depending on the shape of the complex waveform the resulting filter response could be a mix of e.g. Resonance, a Comb filter and a LP filter.
In future experiments i'll maybe pick the waveforms/responses of different filter types and combine them in a single waveform. Should be interesting.
With loading different filter responses to Wave1 and Wave2 (in a single Osc) and using the Wave 1/2 Mix you could do mixed filter responses easily.

When the formant knob is above 0 (0 is the middle position) the filter response usually turns into a BP filter. You see that also on the waveforms as they get more narrow.


Ingo