I'm looking for something that possibly doesn't exist. I want a good sounding guitar VST for rock music that is relatively easy to step program as I'm not much of a keyboard player. Mainly I want to do chords and the occasional single note line, but I'm not looking to pull off any Hendrix type stuff. Mainly I want this for rough ideas to pass on to band mates for further refinement. Since it isn't practical to have my guitar player at my side 24x7 I'd like something to at least provide me with a sketch pad I can give to him and the rest of the band. I've got good solutions for drums, and I play bass...so the guitar is really the missing link here.
I've spent a good couple months with RealStrat and while it seems like a fine product it is just too darn finicky for me. I can get it sounding good for a while but there always seems to be a brick wall that I hit when I try to do certain things. It definitely seems designed for skilled keyboard players, but for step editing it has proven to be cumbersome.
Since I can read and write music I almost wonder if something like Guitar Pro and/or Notion's Progression software might be a better option for me? I know what I hear and what I want to get out, I just can't get the software to cooperate. My main concern with those programs is whether or not I can get them into my main workflow in Reaper? And I also worry about the quality of sound in those programs.
Anyway, any ideas or discussion is welcome. Thanks for your time.
Best guitar VST for non-keyboard players...
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Brother Charles Brother Charles https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=271995 - KVRian
- 1112 posts since 3 Jan, 2012 from Alberta, Canada
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 12 posts since 22 Oct, 2012
Thanks for the reply...that does seem affordable on its own, but don't you need Kontakt player for that? And isn't that $400?
And since you're recommending it, how will it benefit a newb like me who has to step edit? What will it do that RealStrat can't as far as step editing?
I don't mind spending some money if I'm really and truly going to get what I need. I just need to be damn sure I'm going to get what I want.
Thanks again for your input.
And since you're recommending it, how will it benefit a newb like me who has to step edit? What will it do that RealStrat can't as far as step editing?
I don't mind spending some money if I'm really and truly going to get what I need. I just need to be damn sure I'm going to get what I want.
Thanks again for your input.
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- KVRAF
- 1796 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
Vir2 electri6ity + Amplitube Slash
In Live 8 I add a chord midi effect to it then I can just play a basic great sounding guitar riff with one finger on the keyboard. It has a sort of Ai that plays the guitar neck to match what it thinks your trying to do with the strings.
Video Demos here
In Live 8 I add a chord midi effect to it then I can just play a basic great sounding guitar riff with one finger on the keyboard. It has a sort of Ai that plays the guitar neck to match what it thinks your trying to do with the strings.
Video Demos here
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- KVRAF
- 2307 posts since 27 Jan, 2011
Torch is indeed very good but you need the Full version of Kontakt
RealGuitar is quite passable for the sketches etc you say you want to do. Samples are merely ok but passable (not nearly as good as Indiginus or Orange Tree) but more importantly, for a non keyboard player, the many included strumming and picking patterns are great. Withe a decent cheap / free ampsim (eg Amplitube Free, or the stuff from Acme Bar Gig or Lepou) can pass for an electric. Try the demo anyweay.
RealGuitar is quite passable for the sketches etc you say you want to do. Samples are merely ok but passable (not nearly as good as Indiginus or Orange Tree) but more importantly, for a non keyboard player, the many included strumming and picking patterns are great. Withe a decent cheap / free ampsim (eg Amplitube Free, or the stuff from Acme Bar Gig or Lepou) can pass for an electric. Try the demo anyweay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDj_Van ... uNbgY-4qFK
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 19 Nov, 2010
A long time ago I was at the same point you are now: I'm a bass player (without ANY keyboard skills) and needed to show ideas to guitar players. For years I was using just GM midi output from the free Power Tab Editor 1.7. You can find it at http://www.power-tab.net/guitar.php . It's pretty good for a free product and really fast for writing guitar, at least from my (bass player) perspective. Never tried Progression, and for what I saw about Guitar Pro I prefer this. Just my opinion, lots of people love the other products, and maybe they are better for you.
Anyways: Later, I decided to try and search for a more "realistic" approach. I bought some libraries and effects and Cubase. But while I was learning to use the step sequencer and all that, I kept using the Power Tab Editor and importing the MIDI files straight into Cubase. This were my first two tests, using Orange Tree Samples EEG-Strawberry (version 1) for guitars (Please have in mind that this are just mockups! They are absolutely un-mixed and over-quantized):
http://soundcloud.com/alejandro-tiscornia/iwahb/s-a0oyo
http://soundcloud.com/alejandro-tiscorn ... es/s-10y0t
The guitars do not sound real enough, I know (and they absolutely can: it's an excellent library, and the new version is awesome). But I think that's enough to explain an idea. I did tweaked the MIDI files after importing them, but very little.
The best part is that once I understood correctly the quirky way in which the Power Tab Editor exported MIDI files it became really easy to use my tabs with any guitar VI with minimal editing. I've never used Real Guitar, but I'm sure it won't be any harder than other libraries. And you can try this at zero cost, so... no monetary loss if it does not work for you.
I almost haven't used this method for a long time (got proficient in the use of Cubase!), but if you wanna try it, send me a message and I'll try to help you with this. Some things may be counter-intuitive at first: for example, the Power Tab Editor exports any instrument tracks as TWO separated MIDI tracks. What do you know, this ended being a good thing!
So, sorry for the long wall of text, and I wish you find a way to convey your ideas! Communication is always the hardest part of any job... especially when dealing with those obnoxious guitar players!
Anyways: Later, I decided to try and search for a more "realistic" approach. I bought some libraries and effects and Cubase. But while I was learning to use the step sequencer and all that, I kept using the Power Tab Editor and importing the MIDI files straight into Cubase. This were my first two tests, using Orange Tree Samples EEG-Strawberry (version 1) for guitars (Please have in mind that this are just mockups! They are absolutely un-mixed and over-quantized):
http://soundcloud.com/alejandro-tiscornia/iwahb/s-a0oyo
http://soundcloud.com/alejandro-tiscorn ... es/s-10y0t
The guitars do not sound real enough, I know (and they absolutely can: it's an excellent library, and the new version is awesome). But I think that's enough to explain an idea. I did tweaked the MIDI files after importing them, but very little.
The best part is that once I understood correctly the quirky way in which the Power Tab Editor exported MIDI files it became really easy to use my tabs with any guitar VI with minimal editing. I've never used Real Guitar, but I'm sure it won't be any harder than other libraries. And you can try this at zero cost, so... no monetary loss if it does not work for you.
I almost haven't used this method for a long time (got proficient in the use of Cubase!), but if you wanna try it, send me a message and I'll try to help you with this. Some things may be counter-intuitive at first: for example, the Power Tab Editor exports any instrument tracks as TWO separated MIDI tracks. What do you know, this ended being a good thing!
So, sorry for the long wall of text, and I wish you find a way to convey your ideas! Communication is always the hardest part of any job... especially when dealing with those obnoxious guitar players!