KVR Audio

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:07 pm

I remember something along the lines of "only allowed to share with the magazine". So I'm just wondering.

And yes, I'd give the sound designer of "Penultimate Trilogy" a break - but we have to draw some lines here. Other participants entered their submissions without problems, those that were too late weren't accepted. Heck, even the deadline was extended. There are strict rules for that.

And for me as "tester" and "voter", it's a clear drop of points. I do the same with plugins that don't work even after coming back in here to grab updates.

I currently have a handful of favourites already. I just want to know what's up with the voting system now. Whether or not it was adjusted to "independent of Synth/FX/Soundware" and if we have to fear a drop of our votes again through the course of the month.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:37 pm

Sample inverse fast fourier transform (SIFFT) is pretty awesome at braindrilling sounds

(the pleasant kind!)

It's going to be hard to vote .. some of them have already moved out from the DC12 folder into my normal ones .. so those are keepers and thus will score high ........ Others are cool but maybe i won't see myself using them or i have enough plugs in that area already, they will stay in the DC12 folder.
The plugins must be reliable. Pops and unstable volume is a downer. I want to grab the plug and know it will work no matter what i throw at it. Some plugins gives me this confidence more than others.

How do you guys reason?

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:45 pm

Zampler should be removed

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:46 pm

Compyfox wrote:I also raise a vote for the removal of "The Penultimate Trilogy".

Well, I hope TPT is not removed. I am willing to wait. I am also tolerant towards updates and bug fixes. The products are free. I'm just glad they are. I'm just glad I get to vote.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:48 pm

For me, simple:

Doesn't load - ditch
Produces uncontrollable/undesirable noise - ditch
Needs additional installation of drivers - ditch
similar to other commercial plugins - think about it, else weight what's better
Is still beta/discontinued after the DC - ditch
No manual/not straight forward (easy to understand) - ditch
Crazy worklevels - ditch

synths - I have way too many already, so no tests

sample content - can't have enough, but if they don't click with me on first listen, I ditch them.

ccDuckett · Post by **ccDuckett** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:11 pm

I'd have to concur regarding the Black Mamba entry. If I'd grown the hay to feed my cow to get the milk to make my cheese, I'd not be delighted to see a Kraft rep piggyback their product onto my store display.

(OK, so it's an imperfect and slightly strange analogy, but hopefully the basic meaning is understood.)

I also will not be voting for entries that remain too buggy to even test properly, and/or show no sign of developer support; developer response is a huge factor for me, as it is not only the fact that many entries are not going to necessarily be absolutely bug-free for all users in all environments, given the lack of luxury in development time, but also the fact that how developers respond to their DC12 entries is a window into how they will respond generally to user feedback and support issues in general, and also how passionate they are about their product.

This is not directed at any particular contestant or entry, but it might bear mentioning that an attitude of "Good luck with this steaming abortion that's made life hell for a month, glad to be rid of it, kthxbai" would not be the way to make one's entry a vote-magnet.

Developers that are quick to address issues, and are genuinely interested in feedback, not only stand to have their entries evaluated less prejudicially, but are more likely to have their future work followed. I have yet to hear of any software that attained perfection by means of ignoring any and all user feedback

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:27 pm

Trackstar is banned...?

I agree with Teksonik- Zampler content should be entered, not Zampler. Its cheating and advertising.

The Penultimate Trilogy is a lot of content, but setting up a simple download location for wavs should not really be that difficult. Id think it could be sorted pretty quick.
'Marred Waters' sounds pretty damn good though, so I say let em ride for a minute. It is quality content.

Cupwise · Post by **Cupwise** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:59 pm

Compyfox wrote:For me, simple:

Doesn't load - ditch
Produces uncontrollable/undesirable noise - ditch
Needs additional installation of drivers - ditch
similar to other commercial plugins - think about it, else weight what's better
Is still beta/discontinued after the DC - ditch
No manual/not straight forward (easy to understand) - ditch
Crazy worklevels - ditch

synths - I have way too many already, so no tests

sample content - can't have enough, but if they don't click with me on first listen, I ditch them.

i appreciate that you are going to have your own voting criteria. so is everyone else. the tone of this post i don't quite appreciate. and not just because my own entry falls under TWO of your 'ditch' examples. mine didn't load at first, because i forgot that it needed to install other dlls. i fixed it, but apparently you're hyper paranoid about other dlls. do you install anything on your computer? what do you consider 'safe'? graphics cards install drivers, and they aren't always problem free. lots and lots of stuff you install on your computer requires other drivers. how about other pro audio software? lots of that requires other drivers. do you not use it in that case? is your desktop bare?

but this is really beside the point. you can have that attitude with your own vote, but to vocalize that in the forum, in the matter of fact way you did, i see it as disrespectful. you don't want more synths so you ditch. ok but do you really need to vocalize that (trying to influence others)? my entry isn't a synth, but plenty of others are (not to mention past contest winners), and i might not know exactly what goes into making one, but i can guess with certainty that all or most entrants put lots of time into this stuff, and lots of the synths actually look fairly unique. your whole attitude is like 'if this free stuff doesn't meet my high standards, screw it'.

it's free stuff, but still took lots of work. how do you know that any of the entries that didn't meet one of your, in some cases absurd criteria, how do you know you aren't missing out on something great? we are talking about a contest with a deadline, so if things don't work perfectly on first release here, well that doesn't reflect on the dev's normal releases where they can take all the time in the world to perfect something. so they should be cut some slack here, and this is just one other example of your criteria being absurd. but that's fine, for you. to come here and try to sway others or just feel the need to criticize people who worked hard on free stuff, with it being completely nonconstructive criticism (how can it be if you 'ditch' something right off), that's just shitty.

i for one, don't mind not having your vote.

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:03 am

Kriminal wrote:Zampler should be removed

Why? It's by Beat. They're even hosting it on their site.

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:31 am

Cupwise wrote:the tone of this post i don't quite appreciate.

Oh but 'steaming abortions' gets a pass!

Cupwise · Post by **Cupwise** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:36 am

haha yeah i guess i just missed that.

i mean, i'm not saying that none of anyone's complaints are valid. just that people shouldn't be d*cks about it. it's free stuff, and the nature of the contest should be considered.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:48 am

I have the impression that the plugins by the experienced programmers (who have already programmed some - even commercial - plugins) are better/more stable than most of the plugins of the newcomers. OTOH I find this a bit unfair, because I would like to support NEW programmers to give them a possibility of improving their work and get into (commercial) plugin business. Of course, I could vote for Variety of Sound as No. 1, because all his plugins are without any doubt top notch, but isn't this unfair against the newcomers? How do you think about?

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:58 am

That is why I myself look at this contest more for, (and put more value in), innovation rather than stability/quality/professionalism...

I dont expect my next workhorse to be found, but I can guess that I will definitely find something that is not available anywhere else, buggy or not.

miedex · Post by **miedex** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:01 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:I have the impression that the plugins by the experienced programmers (who have already programmed some - even commercial - plugins) are better/more stable than most of the plugins of the newcomers. OTOH I find this a bit unfair, because I would like to support NEW programmers to give them a possibility of improving their work and get into (commercial) plugin business. Of course, I could vote for Variety of Sound as No. 1, because all his plugins are without any doubt top notch, but isn't this unfair against the newcomers? How do you think about?

As far as I can tell it seems like the highest quality submissions are still coming from (for the most part?) freeware developers, its not like they are crashing the party for small beans profit in order to advertise their established business or anything. If ValhallaDSP or U-HE ran this year I think it would be totally awkward but I wan't to see more hardcore freeware guys kicking ass and taking names and spiking the ball this year, next year and any year regardless of if they are new or geniuses or not. Hopefully everyone involved learns something about making plugins/soundware even if the don't come out on top.

noizy · Post by **noizy** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:07 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:I have the impression that the plugins by the experienced programmers (who have already programmed some - even commercial - plugins) are better/more stable than most of the plugins of the newcomers. OTOH I find this a bit unfair, because I would like to support NEW programmers to give them a possibility of improving their work and get into (commercial) plugin business. Of course, I could vote for Variety of Sound as No. 1, because all his plugins are without any doubt top notch, but isn't this unfair against the newcomers? How do you think about?

I think you are right, but i also think that if a Plugin or say Product is good, it should voted high, no matter if the developer is a newcomer or not! Case in the end the product itself is what should be valuated... And btw. I really like a lot of vos plugins, but this one doesn't convince me...

Just my 2 ct's

Noizy

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