KVR DC 12 is Go Go Go Get Em!

[ccDuckett]

Just wanted to note- Cupwise has been IMO a great example of how to deal with support/bug issues the right way- quickly establishing a support thread, and actually reading and responding to the issues raised. While radiojunk might not be "OMG gonna use it everything/create a subgenre based on it"-types of plugins, they do something unique, and I will certainly appreciate having them, when some material calls for the processing they perform.

Also, I was not actually referring to anyone's entry as a "steaming abortion",
just being perhaps a little too vivid in pointing out that, generally speaking, it's bad form for any developer to treat their babies as though they can't wait to wash the stink off their hands. (Again, this is NOT, repeat NOT aimed at anyone in DC12, or any developer in particular.)

On a completely unrelated note, both Boids and Automathico look very likely to
reward extended investigation- having spent some time tweaking presets on each, they're more than "interesting idea with no practical use" plugins, which may be the initial impression of some; of course, if you understand the premise behind each, and simply have no interest in or need for such things, well and good- but me, I like and use stuff like this, reminds me of good ol' BallSequencer

[CMT]

Thank you all guys,

I'm so happy 'Trans Computer Maschine' was #3 in yesterday's KVR top ranks for both 'All' and 'Free' downloads.

Hope you really enjoy my work. I'm still alert to any bug report so I might fix it as soon as possible.

Thank you again...

Walter

[Kriminal]

Zampler should be removed

Why? It's by Beat. They're even hosting it on their site.

1. Its not nade by beat
2. Irs not new/made specufically for the comp
3. The sfz/presets sre the only part thats new

Its like NI releasing Kontakt Player with a new bass library....

[Kriminal]

Zampler should be removed

Why? It's by Beat. They're even hosting it on their site.

1. Its not nade by beat
2. Irs not new/made specufically for the comp
3. The sfz/presets sre the only part thats new

Its like NI releasing Kontakt Player with a new bass library....

[Compyfox]

i appreciate that you are going to have your own voting criteria. so is everyone else. the tone of this post i don't quite appreciate. and not just because my own entry falls under TWO of your 'ditch' examples. mine didn't load at first, because i forgot that it needed to install other dlls. i fixed it, but apparently you're hyper paranoid about other dlls. do you install anything on your computer? what do you consider 'safe'? graphics cards install drivers, and they aren't always problem free. lots and lots of stuff you install on your computer requires other drivers. how about other pro audio software? lots of that requires other drivers. do you not use it in that case? is your desktop bare?

Woha, not touching your turf, since I didn't really test your creation in the first place (Radio Junk, Acqua Plugin - interesting, no need for Nebula 3/3 Pro). It didn't interest me to be honest (from the description) - so why should I test it?


I do have to draw a line somewhere.

As example with Philteroid:
I gave it a spin, three to five times since it really interested me. I couldn't get it to run as expected. So I posted that in the support thread, was informed "well yah, I change the fonts but I can't do anything about the gate". Since it's not working at a level I work at nowadays, or at least not without drastic workarounds - I said "okay, ditch - if it's developed further I'll take another look".

In case for SoftAmp 3OD, I had to wait until there is a fix/inclusion of certain runtimes of VisualC.

In terms of that Spectrum Analyser, I need MAX DSP - which never(!) ran on my rig. So I refuse to install it just for the DC. In case of the Sound Rider plugin (3D Spectrum Analyer), I'm still trying to find the issue - but if it's not working today - I tried it three days in a row, which is way too much time for me to waste - so I have to ditch it.

And the Plugin Match? Well, it's buggy - so why continue using it? Just to see a "demo" of something that might be eventually (if the feedback is high enough) implemented into the (commercial) sucessor of a different analysing tool?


Testing takes time, and this is a challenge (other means: contest). And with a challenge, I do not(!) expect half-finished tools that might be "eventually" updated. I expect working tools that run smooth and with rare bugs.

This is why certain developers in the challenge did extensive beta testing prior(!) to the DC2012. There were months of development and test time available. Some even literally waited on the fence until the DC2012 started. So this is in my opinion not an excuse.


And to answer your question:
My rig is streamlined, a clean install. I do install drivers and runtimes - if I need them. But I don't see a necessity in NET4, if I only need it for testing one plugin, or MAX DSP, if it always crashed my hosts or never worked to begin with.

Be happy that I'm not on Mac - I could be way more harsh with my critism (aka: no variety since I can't test due to Win-only creations).

but this is really beside the point. you can have that attitude with your own vote, but to vocalize that in the forum, in the matter of fact way you did, i see it as disrespectful. you don't want more synths so you ditch. ok but do you really need to vocalize that (trying to influence others)? my entry isn't a synth, but plenty of others are (not to mention past contest winners), and i might not know exactly what goes into making one, but i can guess with certainty that all or most entrants put lots of time into this stuff, and lots of the synths actually look fairly unique. your whole attitude is like 'if this free stuff doesn't meet my high standards, screw it'.

No, my additude is:
Even if it's freeware, it must have a certain standard in order to be fair and properly rated. I can only emphasize on it again: the DC has certain rules, we talk about high prices here, fame on the market and trust from the users. If the developer wants me to use it, he has to earn that (a lot of dev's did in the last couple of years - from freeware to high-budget content).


If for example developer A doesn't deliver his tools - points cut.
If developer B is non responsive - I don't want to be involved - points cut.
If developer C is like "I don't give a sh't, I just need funds" - points cut.


I can't waste days for a challenge and give honest opinions, vote on a plugin. A tool needs to excite me (I'm a plugin guy, so I focus on plugins - but I also tested synths if you read my DC impressions post). And apparently, some plugins did and I will vote for them.

I don't have time for everything else.

it's free stuff, but still took lots of work. how do you know that any of the entries that didn't meet one of your, in some cases absurd criteria, how do you know you aren't missing out on something great? we are talking about a contest with a deadline, so if things don't work perfectly on first release here, well that doesn't reflect on the dev's normal releases where they can take all the time in the world to perfect something. so they should be cut some slack here, and this is just one other example of your criteria being absurd. but that's fine, for you. to come here and try to sway others or just feel the need to criticize people who worked hard on free stuff, with it being completely nonconstructive criticism (how can it be if you 'ditch' something right off), that's just shitty.

No it's not.

Again, these developers do not only release their stuff for sh'ts and giggles, but to actually earn a name, get a certain user base, present what they are capable off, maybe win something of the loot.

I give all of the developers and sound designers a chance. Several ones even (again, I gave Filteroid five chances, I'm still trying to test Sound Rider and SoftAmp 3OD, I didn't find time to test the sounds yet). If, after my personal set testing period, the tool still doesn't deliver - I have to(!) ditch it and move on.

And if it's not working right out of the box (and I need like 10 different additional driver packs - just to test it!), then it's a no-go for me. Period.

Or do I need to buy every synth needed in order to judge rsmus7's presets? What if they don't interest me in the first place? (this is an example, I know him, he's a nice guy, always different stuff in terms of synths)


That's in my opinion not shitty or harsh, that's more than fair. Especially considering high class and innovative entries from SleepyTimeRecords and the vlad/g collab, which work right out of the box btw, compared to obvious cheap SE creations with over and over seen old delays/synths.

I'm not critizing the developers that try to fix minor bugs even through the course of the challenge. But if it's something drastic - sorry but they had enough time to develop (read the rules: could have been old code as well - but it shouldn't have been released already).

i for one, don't mind not having your vote.

Since I didn't test your tool as of yet (since I don't need a radio effect), I wouldn't have anyway.

But from this particular post it seems to me, that some people can't take critism or fear that they might loose to the more famous people.



If it counts for anything, I took a dive over on your page - even before you answered to my post and I realized who you are. I might take another closer look on your Nebula presets. But I rarely use Nebula these days. Then again, good to know another Nebula Preset provider. And I didn't know that the ACQUA engine is now available for own development as well (at least it seems like that).

[Crackbaby]

Compy, you could just have kept quiet and not voted for them. Praise what you like and don't say much of what you don't like. You really don't understand the spirit of DC. I pity your lack of empathy. Not for you, but those around you in real life.

I hope everyone understands that your "criticism" is just from one person and doesn't reflect the mood of everyone else.

[Zombie Queen]

What's wrong with criticism? Criticism is healthy.

[Cupwise]

compy i understand that you're going to have your own wants in software, whether it's free or not. but your list of things that you 'ditch' probably excluded over half the entries, and the reasoning was a little harsh. you specifically said you didn't need more synths and that alone probably rules out 30-50%. that's totally fine for you to be like that with your votes, but to say it here where everyone can see is just a little inconsiderate. that's all i'm saying. you don't have to see it or agree with me, it's how it is. you'd maybe see it if you actually worked for weeks/months on an entry and someone just bluntly dismissed your effort.

myself, i don't really care so much, like i said. i've done what i do for about 2yrs so i'm not exactly new to it. but i could imagine someone just starting out, maybe being discouraged by your comment. maybe i came off a little too harshly on you, but i still feel the same way. dev challenge should be more about encouraging newcomers and veterans alike, not about casually dismissing peoples' hard work.

[Compyfox]

Compy, you could just have kept quiet and not voted for them.

So far I haven't voted for ANYONE, just wrote my opinion in the DC2012 impression thread.

Praise what you like and don't say much of what you don't like. You really don't understand the spirit of DC.

The "spirit" is, that you try to be better than the other developers, more innovative. The "spirit" is to get feedback, critism, fame, win the game.

It's no help if you constantly get raving reviews from your fanbase.

I pity your lack of empathy. Not for you, but those around you in real life.

Funny though that my opinion is well respected amongs my friends in real life, and I seem to show enough empathy as well.

I hope everyone understands that your "criticism" is just from one person and doesn't reflect the mood of everyone else.

I sure as hell hope that is the case!


Else, without critism, there is no reason/chance to advance.

And if that is aimed at certain tools that need NET runtimes, MAX DSP or stuff like that... sure, you can always go the cheap round and get things to the masses. I do so myself. But on the long run, it doesn't help (example: MAX DSP is known to be discontinued? NET only works on Microsoft OSes, etc).



Now point your finger to someone else, please. I'm not the only tester in the DC2012. (read the DC2012 first impressions thread).

compy i understand that you're going to have your own wants in software, whether it's free or not. but your list of things that you 'ditch' probably excluded over half the entries, and the reasoning was a little harsh.

Out of the 55 entries, I think I tested over 30 (including soundware). Compared to earlier DC's, that's a drastic improvement.

you specifically said you didn't need more synths and that alone probably rules out 30-50%. that's totally fine for you to be like that with your votes, but to say it here where everyone can see is just a little inconsiderate. that's all i'm saying. you don't have to see it or agree with me, it's how it is. you'd maybe see it if you actually worked for weeks/months on an entry and someone just bluntly dismissed your effort.

I've been at this place, and still am currently (in my case, it's white papers). So I know a thing or two myself. But I can work with it and move on, improve on that.

I said it before, I say it again - I gave EVERYONE a chance. The chance starts with the post in the database (just like with the news). I tested the tools that interested me - if I could test them. I waited for bugfixes if a test wasn't possible. If it's still not working - game over.

Simple as that.

myself, i don't really care so much, like i said. i've done what i do for about 2yrs so i'm not exactly new to it. but i could imagine someone just starting out, maybe being discouraged by your comment. maybe i came off a little too harshly on you, but i still feel the same way. dev challenge should be more about encouraging newcomers and veterans alike, not about casually dismissing peoples' hard work.

Life is not a pony hotel.

I recently released a white paper regarding a change/enhancement of a metering standard. The most harsh critism I got there was like "you know, I give a flying F - I implemented it years ago due to some specs of an old paper". That particular person didn't even read what I researched and suggested. Other developers said "good idea, but we won't port it" - also only half of them read the whole document. Fine with me. I tried, I failed - yet I still use what "I" created, recommend it to others. And those that liked my idea/ported it, do so as well.


I am NOT dismissing any hard work.
I dismiss work that doesn't work, is not accessable, or goes cheap rounds.



AGAIN - are we done yet?

[Cupwise]

What's wrong with criticism? Criticism is healthy.

constructive criticism, yes. saying that you're (as Compy said) ditching all synth entries because you have too many synths... explain to me how that's healthy or productive.

?

you're going to vote in a kvr dev challenge but ignore all synths. you might as well be going to an art gallery to ignore all the paintings. and tell everyone there how you've seen far too many boring paintings in your day to be bothered to look at them (and make sure the artists can overhear).

[Crackbaby]

Compy, you could just have kept quiet and not voted for them.

So far I haven't voted for ANYONE, just wrote my opinion in the DC2012 impression thread.

Praise what you like and don't say much of what you don't like. You really don't understand the spirit of DC.

The "spirit" is, that you try to be better than the other developers, more innovative. The "spirit" is to get feedback, fame, win the game.

It's no help if you constantly get raving reviews from your fanbase.

I pity your lack of empathy. Not for you, but those around you in real life.

Funny though that my opinion is well respected amongs my friends in real life, and I seem to show enough empathy as well.

I hope everyone understands that your "criticism" is just from one person and doesn't reflect the mood of everyone else.

I sure as hell hope that is the case!


Else, without critism, there is no reason/chance to advance.

And if that is aimed at certain tools that need NET runtimes, MAX DSP or stuff like that... sure, you can always go the cheap round and get things to the masses. I do so myself. But on the long run, it doesn't help (example: MAX DSP is known to be discontinued? NET only works on Microsoft OSes, etc).



Now point your finger to someone else, please. I'm not the only tester in the DC2012. (read the DC2012 first impressions thread).

My post wasn't long. Can you please try to quote it all in one space and then write your comments in one space? It's not that hard.

[Cupwise]

Else, without critism, there is no reason/chance to advance.

by 'advance' you mean, 'not submit synths into the next dev challenge', or what? you can't fall back on the criticism defense when your ruling out easily half of all entries is mostly due to a personal preference and not a criticism. then when you say that stuff that's bugged or doesn't load properly right away, you ditch it, regardless of whether it's fixed later, that's also not encouraging advancement. it's saying 'even if you advance this so that it works better/more properly, i'll still ignore it'. that's the exact opposite.

[whyterabbyt]

No, my additude is:
Even if it's freeware, it must have a certain standard in order to be fair and properly rated.

i for one, don't mind not having your vote.

Since I didn't test your tool as of yet (since I don't need a radio effect), I wouldn't have anyway.

good to know that 'fair and properly rated' means 'wasnt going to vote for it because i dont need it'

[Crackbaby]

I don't think the encouragement argument is going to work on Compyfox. He/she can't understand how his comments may cause one developer to not compete in the DC again. Neither he does understand how praising someone can 'encourage' that person to work harder and to overcome what maybe was considered not possible.

The use of the word "ditch" speaks for itself, doesn't it?

[Compyfox]

You know what - I simply "ditch" this thread since I just lost interest.