Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

[camsr]

61 pages !! now way im reading all that.

will it have Midi?

would be cool to have it side-chained on somethin...
and triggered by being able to press a note as if it was a normal ADSR

Will it have MIDI? Already does.

Demo it.

Ah! good thanx

this thread is waaaaay too long

I'm sorry but this plugin thread is way longer.

[realmarco]

61 pages !! now way im reading all that.

will it have Midi?

would be cool to have it side-chained on somethin...
and triggered by being able to press a note as if it was a normal ADSR

Will it have MIDI? Already does.

Demo it.

Ah! good thanx

this thread is waaaaay too long

I'm sorry but this plugin thread is way longer.

...what ?

[_leras]

$99 is the final price of The Drop.

Oh... now that's a real shame.....

Not much point to be an early adopter then other than to help with bug testing?

I will wait to try it when it is more complete.

I look at the other way around, I don't want to push regular customers that would prefer the final version into buying the beta just because they get a slight discount - that doesn't help anyone. What does help for those that are more technically adept is allowing them to buy the product while in beta so they get a jump on everyone else, since they can work around any issues and get on making music immediately.

I also don't like limited time offers or other suck gimmicks to get people to buy. I prefer a sensible, affordable, and steady price point. It doesn't matter if you buy early or buy late, you are an existing customer that buys a second product, or being a new customer that buys two products at once, everyone gets the same price as much as possible.

Thanks for taking the time to answer, it's very much appreciated. I also think it's a good idea to release with only one filter model, should generate interest and I think many are hanging on the full version.

I'm also not a fan of price gimmicks and short term sales, I think it devalues. However, I do think it's somewhat different for an introductory offer when it's only 25% of a final product (well probably most of the work, but you know what I mean as 1 out of 4 filters...). $75-80 and my money would be in your pocket already, with trust that the product would get completed.

Not sure if I count as a 'regular' customer or not. As a UAD user I had absolutely no need for The Glue. Much more interested in a good filter though!

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[djanthonyw]

I just wish every developer had Andy's business ethics.

[metrosonic]

I'm also not a fan of price gimmicks and short term sales, I think it devalues. However, I do think it's somewhat different for an introductory offer when it's only 25% of a final product (well probably most of the work, but you know what I mean as 1 out of 4 filters...). $75-80 and my money would be in your pocket already, with trust that the product would get completed.
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In all fairness to Andy I don't think it was his original intention to put 'The Drop' on sale before it was completed but as he has already mentioned some of his regular customers are happy to work with a single filter model and work around any of the well documented existing bugs. I wouldn't be surprised if each new beta build will bring with it a new two week trial period until the product is officially released (at least this is the way it worked when he was developing 'The Glue' if memory serves right).

I think Andy has offered it for sale whilst it is still in beta so that those of us that are using the beta on comercial productions don't run the risk of having the trial period run out whilst the product is still in beta (just in case he is unable to release a new build within the two week trial period window).

For the quality of what's on offer $99 is exceptionally good value and with the extra discount for owners of 'The Glue' the value is even better.

If people don't want to pay for a beta product they can wait for the official release - at least you have the choice.

JM
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[sonicpowa]

However, I do think it's somewhat different for an introductory offer when it's only 25% of a final product (well probably most of the work, but you know what I mean as 1 out of 4 filters...). $75-80 and my money would be in your pocket already --

If the deal is only short for 19-24 dollars for you, then maybe you can find less expensive hobby, also there's good free filters out there. The Drop is pro audio plugin, but it's dirt cheap.

[MFXxx]

However, I do think it's somewhat different for an introductory offer when it's only 25% of a final product (well probably most of the work, but you know what I mean as 1 out of 4 filters...). $75-80 and my money would be in your pocket already --

If the deal is only short for 19-24 dollars for you, then maybe you can find less expensive hobby, also there's good free filters out there. The Drop is pro audio plugin, but it's dirt cheap.

LOL I love these posts.

1) The Drop is under priced imho.
2) You do not have to buy it early you can wait, but you pay the same price just dont get to use it for as long as the rest of us.
3) Cytomics/Andy are shrewd in the fact that many people would like to use it prior to full release and happy to release it early. Incomplete but to a working standard.
4) Buy TheGlue and you will already have one fantastic plugin and also a very generous discount off the price of TheDrop, but you wouldnt be interested in that

[Crackbaby]

I bought the glue just for the discount well, i got a fantastic compressor also

[j0hnny]

How long will the loyalty discount run for? Is it permanent or temporary?

[_leras]

However, I do think it's somewhat different for an introductory offer when it's only 25% of a final product (well probably most of the work, but you know what I mean as 1 out of 4 filters...). $75-80 and my money would be in your pocket already --

If the deal is only short for 19-24 dollars for you, then maybe you can find less expensive hobby, also there's good free filters out there. The Drop is pro audio plugin, but it's dirt cheap.

LOL I love these posts.

1) The Drop is under priced imho.
2) You do not have to buy it early you can wait, but you pay the same price just dont get to use it for as long as the rest of us.
3) Cytomics/Andy are shrewd in the fact that many people would like to use it prior to full release and happy to release it early. Incomplete but to a working standard.
4) Buy TheGlue and you will already have one fantastic plugin and also a very generous discount off the price of TheDrop, but you wouldnt be interested in that

1. Not at the moment it isn't, it only has one LPF, one HPF. When the drop is complete, then I'll probably agree. Diva looks to be getting audio inputs for it's filters, probably a free update... It's a race...
2. That would depend on when it stopped getting used, as much as when use started
3. Some or many. Anyway, I think it is a good thing to give a preview to generate interest. Something I suggested much earlier in this topic...
4. Don't need The Glue, got UAD.
5. to MFXxx. It's not a price issue per se. Would happily pay full price for the full version.

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[metrosonic]

1. Not at the moment it isn't, it only has one LPF, one HPF. When the drop is complete, then I'll probably agree. Diva looks to be getting audio inputs for it's filters, probably a free update... It's a race...
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Diva's audio input is a completely different beast altogether. To quote Urs from earlier this year:

"Audio Input is on the menu for an update some time this year. I hope. Otherwise of course Cytomic's The Drop will be out soon, which uses similar techniques (maybe even more precise models) and is optimised for any audio, whereas DIva is optimised for synthesis. Audio Input on Diva will process monophonic (stereo sum).

We'll see, maybe we'll manage to add things to Runciter or Filterscape as well."

At the moment Urs is working toward V3 of Zebra and until that's out the door it's highly unlikely we'll see any updates to his other products.

The highly respected Frostwave Resonator (which is a hardware emulator of the MS-20 filter) regularly fetches $400-500 on eBay. To my ears the Cytomic MS-20 filter modelling is even closer to the real thing so I beleive 'The Drop' with just a single filter model $99 is still exceptional value. As a UAD user you'll be aware that their Moog filter emulation is $199 for a very similar spec (other than the fact that it offers a band pass filter too).

The vast majority of plugins fail miserably in comparison to their equivalent hardware but this isn't the case with Cytomic products and I salute Andy for his approachable pricing strategy. He really could be charging UAD style prices without losing too many customers but he wants his products to be accessible to as many people as possible.

If your not happy to pay for a beta product wait for the full release.

JM
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[andy-cytomic]

How long will the loyalty discount run for? Is it permanent or temporary?

I am trialling this as a permanent offer and will only re-consider this if there is some problem with the approach. This way the more products you buy the more towards a 30% discount on all of them you get. It is conceptually clean and easy to understand and I think has been received well thus far.

[andy-cytomic]

1. Not at the moment it isn't, it only has one LPF, one HPF. When the drop is complete, then I'll probably agree. Diva looks to be getting audio inputs for it's filters, probably a free update... It's a race...

I don't consider this a race at all, I will take my time until I am happy with each and every model that leaves the virtual door of the Cytomic servers. Urs is a good friend and he makes great products, but I don't feel that Diva is in competition with The Drop in terms of the detail of the analog modelling or ease of use for stereo filtering and sweetening applications.

In the end it dosen't matter what I say, it should only matter what you hear from the plugin, so compare them yourself, increase the drive, modulate them hard and see which you prefer.

Also be aware that I have made slight modifications to some of the circuits or straight out designed completely new circuits where I felt it improved things for modern stereo filter applications. Some examples of this include changing DC-blocking caps for deeper self oscillation, changing the positions of diode clippers to keep the main audio path cleaner when the filters are swept out of band, using different op-amps to remove dips in resonance, and designing new two pole high pass filter circuits for the Sallen Key MS1 and MS2.

[_leras]

1. Not at the moment it isn't, it only has one LPF, one HPF. When the drop is complete, then I'll probably agree. Diva looks to be getting audio inputs for it's filters, probably a free update... It's a race...

I don't consider this a race at all, I will take my time until I am happy with each and every model that leaves the virtual door of the Cytomic servers.

Sorry, was just an off the cuff forum comment, meant more as a discussion point than a pointed comment to you the developer.

The demo's sounds great. I'll most likely try it out once the next filter type is added.

[Vectorman]

For me, it's absolutely worth having even with just the one filter model. This thing is becoming a real secret weapon for "audio sweetening," as Andy put it. Running synth sounds through it and using the Drive to add a bit of thickness/mojo is very effective and sounds better to me than cranking filter drive on most if not all softsynths I've used. Start playing with cutoff and dialing in some resonance to bring out some of the sizzle created by the drive, maybe animate the cutoffs a bit with the LFO if you want movement and wow, it sure does sound nice. Diva and The Drop really make a potent one-two combination.