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IndustrialMusic · Post by **IndustrialMusic** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:28 pm

First, thanks to everyone on here who has shared their input and helped me out!! Every time i think ive got the hang of something, i guess i dont. You guys are great!!

Now:

I think i might still be confused on "warping" a loop.

Last night i was creating a song from scratch at 120bpms. I threw down some VSTi synth tracks down and it was time to start messing with some drum loops.

Some of the better ones i had are much faster, around the 170 mark.

So i threw on one on an audio track, clicked Warp on as well as Loop and changed the bpm to 120 to match the bpm of the song.

Its only a 4-bar loop, yet when i warp it, its still not working right.

Is there something im doing wrong within the "warp" parameters?

Thanks again for any help!

-Sin

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:32 pm

Double click above the waveform and move the yellow markers to taste.

IndustrialMusic · Post by **IndustrialMusic** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:43 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:Double click above the waveform and move the yellow markers to taste.

ok that helps alot! thanks!

however, if i wanted the speed of the loop to slow down, yet still keep its pitch, isnt that what the Warp function does?

the reason i say this is because doing what you said, made it loop properly, yet it was still as fast as it was at 170.

not that its a huge deal for this particular drum loop, but for future reference:

if i liked a drum loop, but just wanted to slow it down, wouldnt i still do the same thing?

thanks again, Mushy Mushy!!

-Sin

cron · Post by **cron** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:06 pm

IndustrialMusic wrote:however, if i wanted the speed of the loop to slow down, yet still keep its pitch, isnt that what the Warp function does?

the reason i say this is because doing what you said, made it loop properly, yet it was still as fast as it was at 170.

When you say it's still as fast as it was at 170, do you mean that you had the loop going at the wrong tempo in relation to the rest of the track or that the entire project was running too fast? If the entire project was running too fast it could be that you have the warped loop set to master instead of slave, so the project follows the tempo of the loop rather than the other way around. If the loop is running even faster than it should, perhaps Live has detected the tempo of the loop as being half of what it actually is, in which case try the multiply/divide by 2 buttons in the warping section.

My general practice with warping audio (althogh I don't do it very often) is to check that the start/end points of the loop have been detected correctly, place a marker denoting 1:1 right at the start of the loop (if it isn't already there) and then right click the 1:1 marker and select "warp from here: straight" if I know the audio is of constant tempo (which pretty much all electronic dance loops are). You shouldn't need multiple warp points on an electronic loop or any material with a rock solid, steady BPM. Just one at the start and one at the end. Any additional Warp points detected by Live could be messing up the groove in such cases. Using "warp from here: straight" tells Live that the BPM doesn't fluctuate, so it avoids adding unnecessary warp points.

cron · Post by **cron** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:14 pm

IndustrialMusic wrote:Last night i was creating a song from scratch at 120bpms. I threw down some VSTi synth tracks down and it was time to start messing with some drum loops.

Some of the better ones i had are much faster, around the 170 mark.

So i threw on one on an audio track, clicked Warp on as well as Loop and changed the bpm to 120 to match the bpm of the song.

Just spotted your error. The BPM value in the warp section should be the original speed of the loop you are using (i.e. 170), not the speed of the project. If you enter 120 in the warping section and your project is running at 120, then Live thinks that the loop is the same tempo as the project, which is why you're finding the loop is playing at its original speed. The bpm value in the warp section tells Live what the original speed of the loop was so that it can adjust it in relation to the BPM of the project.

IndustrialMusic · Post by **IndustrialMusic** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:17 pm

very interesting, Cron.

ill look into that as well!

thanks again!!

EDIT: doing the "warp: straight" works fine. however, playing the loop as a one-shot and then playing the loop, well, looped, theyre exactly the same. the loop hasnt slowed down to the tempo of 120. its looping for 120, but playing as if its still 170. This is so strange!!!

-Sin

cron · Post by **cron** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:28 pm

Did you spot the post I made immediately after my first? Sorry if it seems a daft question, but I often miss posts if someone posts again while I'm writing a post myself.

Just asking because what you're describing sounds exactly like what would happen in the case I described above (i.e. where you've mistakenly entered the project tempo into the warp panel instead of the loop's original tempo).

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:32 pm

cron wrote:Did you spot the post I made immediately after my first? Sorry if it seems a daft question, but I often miss posts if someone posts again while I'm writing a post myself.

Just asking because what you're describing sounds exactly like what would happen in the case I described above (i.e. where you've mistakenly entered the project tempo into the warp panel instead of the loop's original tempo).

Yeah +1 to this
Enter 170 into the clip tempo box and you should be set .

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:39 pm

Actually whilst the above is true it won't matter.
If the clip length is one bar and the loop is one bar, the loops tempo absolutely has to be the same as the tracks tempo.

IndustrialMusic · Post by **IndustrialMusic** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:06 pm

do you mean the Seg. BPM box underneith the Warp button?

if so, ok, ill try that!

-Sin

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:09 pm

IndustrialMusic wrote:do you mean the Seg. BPM box underneith the Warp button?

if so, ok, ill try that!

-Sin

thought it was named Orig. BPM (by memory)

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:22 pm

There should be no need to alter the bpm of a loop in the clips warp section. Live alters the clip to match the project bpm automaticalliy.

IndustrialMusic · Post by **IndustrialMusic** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:25 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:There should be no need to alter the bpm of a loop in the clips warp section. Live alters the clip to match the project bpm automaticalliy.

so are you saying that all i need to do is just turn on the Warp button and NOT turn on the Loop button?

-Sin

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:02 pm

IndustrialMusic wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:There should be no need to alter the bpm of a loop in the clips warp section. Live alters the clip to match the project bpm automaticalliy.
so are you saying that all i need to do is just turn on the Warp button and NOT turn on the Loop button?

-Sin

No. Turn on warp and loop but dont alter the loop tempo. Live will make the loops bpm the same as the project tempo automatically.

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