When do you use envelope shapers/transient designers?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1580 posts since 22 Apr, 2011 from The House of Zaid
Just wondering in general what situations you guys like to use envelope shapers and where they might give superior results to just a good compressor?
And also, is it possible envelope shapers are superior tools in general than compressors are, for the given task?
I've never really used one, just wondering how you guys feel about them.
And also, is it possible envelope shapers are superior tools in general than compressors are, for the given task?
I've never really used one, just wondering how you guys feel about them.
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
I find I can use them pretty broadly, but it's always a matter of experimentation. It's probably a very technical (and maybe murky) question as to when and where they are more appropriate than compressors, but I just throw them on (I've even used them on mixes) and see if they improve things in any case when I want things to be either punchier or have more smooth and even dynamics.
You probably saw it already, but I've been really pretty impressed with the new Sleepy-Time one:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/transie ... me-records
Gives you several more options (and metering) than the other one I use, the SPL.
You probably saw it already, but I've been really pretty impressed with the new Sleepy-Time one:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/transie ... me-records
Gives you several more options (and metering) than the other one I use, the SPL.
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- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
808 kicks and snares
[for example]
Sometimes I use compression instead tho...
(among others) V-Plugs Uranium compressor is a modern touch to using compression as a groove tool/transient shaper.
[for example]
Sometimes I use compression instead tho...
(among others) V-Plugs Uranium compressor is a modern touch to using compression as a groove tool/transient shaper.
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
Depends... Great on snares for that sudden 'pop', and to punch them trough the mix. A lot of it's creative too as well. For DnB as an example, you would expect that short punchy snare and a TD is a great way to do it.
Good on Kicks too - Especially, if they have an unwanted tail after saturation or something.
Nice on short bass too. To emphasize the attack.
My weapon of choice is SPL Transient Designer.
Good on Kicks too - Especially, if they have an unwanted tail after saturation or something.
Nice on short bass too. To emphasize the attack.
My weapon of choice is SPL Transient Designer.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1580 posts since 22 Apr, 2011 from The House of Zaid
yeah but i can use a simple SSL bus compressor to do all thatRobmobius wrote:Depends... Great on snares for that sudden 'pop', and to punch them trough the mix. A lot of it's creative too as well. For DnB as an example, you would expect that short punchy snare and a TD is a great way to do it.
Good on Kicks too - Especially, if they have an unwanted tail after saturation or something.
Nice on short bass too. To emphasize the attack.
My weapon of choice is SPL Transient Designer.
i just wonder what makes the TD different. i guess ill just have to try it
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
Maybe because a transient designer is easier to use??
Of course, you can use a compressor as transient designer, too (with adjustment of the attack and release times, plus make-up gain). But I think a transient designer is a more straight-forward approach, at least for the beat...
Of course, you can use a compressor as transient designer, too (with adjustment of the attack and release times, plus make-up gain). But I think a transient designer is a more straight-forward approach, at least for the beat...
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
Yes, try some transient designers i urge you.
I guess you could say adding release with compressors is a bit like the decay to release phase of an AHDSR envelope, where transient designers act more like the hold to decay phase of such an envelope, kinda thing, i guess depending on the material you're working with. I would say they're generally a bit more surgical.
I guess you could say adding release with compressors is a bit like the decay to release phase of an AHDSR envelope, where transient designers act more like the hold to decay phase of such an envelope, kinda thing, i guess depending on the material you're working with. I would say they're generally a bit more surgical.
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- KVRAF
- 8620 posts since 2 Oct, 2006 from Leeds, UK
Can you shape the transient of the kick with that? You can shape the attack portion of the kick drum very precisely to add punch making the kick cut through in a busy mix. Transient shaper with a saturator and eq are a great set of tools for surgically designing kick drums for edm, especially when layering samples or synth parts to precisely define the attack, body and decay portions of the drums.@midnight wrote:yeah but i can use a simple SSL bus compressor to do all thatRobmobius wrote:Depends... Great on snares for that sudden 'pop', and to punch them trough the mix. A lot of it's creative too as well. For DnB as an example, you would expect that short punchy snare and a TD is a great way to do it.
Good on Kicks too - Especially, if they have an unwanted tail after saturation or something.
Nice on short bass too. To emphasize the attack.
My weapon of choice is SPL Transient Designer.
i just wonder what makes the TD different. i guess ill just have to try it
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- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
Best one yet!...
http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... nt-master/
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- KVRAF
- 2602 posts since 18 Mar, 2011 from Spain
- KVRAF
- 2275 posts since 4 Dec, 2011 from Brasília, Brazil
Thanks for the tip IrionDaRonin, I didn't knew BitterSweet II.IrionDaRonin wrote:I'm using Flux BitterSweet II for free.
Great plugin, i can tell.
Have a good day
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- KVRian
- 1099 posts since 20 Nov, 2004 from Seinäjoki, Finland
I usually try transient designers on everything percussive and also on VA sounds. On analog emulations the effect is like simulating a faster envelope speed. They're worth trying on anything with distinctive attack really.
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
As OP said, you can really shape your drums with very little effort, and likewise for on short bass too.
Probably hard to explain, but once you use them for a bit it's hard to go back.
Bittersweet is good one for free. Audio Schaack's transient shaper is decent as well.
So far, the SPL is my personal fav tho'.
Probably hard to explain, but once you use them for a bit it's hard to go back.
Bittersweet is good one for free. Audio Schaack's transient shaper is decent as well.
So far, the SPL is my personal fav tho'.
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- KVRAF
- 6178 posts since 4 Oct, 2007 from Escaped At Last
On kick drum builds and bus/auxes, Sometimes inserts actually alot
Snare pretty much the same really
Toms alot
full drumkit sub mixes
Guitar and bass even get shaped if it is working.
Most useful for drum overhead mic's and room/ambient mics that have/do sometimes pickup just abit more room than desired
Just give whichever one or ones you have a whirl on anything where you may perhaps first usually reach for your compressor of choice (To a rather large extent I see/hear you on 'why not just use a compressor to do the job?' and indeed I use compressors to shape envelopes/transients also so its a blurry area. Still you'll know which/what you prefer and there are differences. Unfortunately none of the software Transient Designer/Shaper/Modulator processors can handle as much abuse and sound great as the analogue outboard models I am familar with).
Works well for me running transient shaping tools both before and/or after compressors in 'series'. There are no rules with these devices so just use on all sources you can and let your ears be the judge, Joe Meek it basically
All the best as always
Dean
Snare pretty much the same really
Toms alot
full drumkit sub mixes
Guitar and bass even get shaped if it is working.
Most useful for drum overhead mic's and room/ambient mics that have/do sometimes pickup just abit more room than desired
Just give whichever one or ones you have a whirl on anything where you may perhaps first usually reach for your compressor of choice (To a rather large extent I see/hear you on 'why not just use a compressor to do the job?' and indeed I use compressors to shape envelopes/transients also so its a blurry area. Still you'll know which/what you prefer and there are differences. Unfortunately none of the software Transient Designer/Shaper/Modulator processors can handle as much abuse and sound great as the analogue outboard models I am familar with).
Works well for me running transient shaping tools both before and/or after compressors in 'series'. There are no rules with these devices so just use on all sources you can and let your ears be the judge, Joe Meek it basically
All the best as always
Dean
- KVRAF
- 4014 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
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