Steinberg's Countdown, Nuendo 6 AND Cubase 7!!!

[dblock]

The comments about sounding better need to be taken in context. In the context of the stupid marketing video, he just says that the inclusion of the channel strip and the easier work flow let him get a better result faster.

Nowhere does it say that Cubase now sounds better.

"The completely new MixConsole excels not only in terms of usability, look and feel, but also sounds better than anything before it! "
Take another look.

[Compyfox]

The channel strip does "not" let Cubase sound better - but you can work more efficient. This question was asked in the Musotalk video, and Helge Vogt confirmed that they did not mess with the DSP code.

So you basically still have your plugins/code from yesteryear. Just available in one place, and simplyfied in looks as channel strip.

Same with the new "Vintage Comp" and "Tube Comp". "The eye listens along as well" - as some could say. A beautiful GUI let's everything sound better.



BTW: Steinberg started a "quesions collection" page yesterday evening at the english board. I don't think that everything will be answered, but they try to do so.

I'm however a bit pissed that my support mail still wasn't answered. Now if that'd be a criteria to "buy" Cubase or not, I'd now clearly vote against it. Then again, I know Steinberg for over a decade now - and support is in certain sections not their strong point. I don't know however if unanswered mails ever affects their support rating.



I am also aware that they pulled the .5 upgrade for Cubase, and you can only get 6.5 as full version due to the grace period. IMO a stupid move, but then again logical. Now if Steinberg would continue selling the upgrade with no chance to do the grace period for users that don't want to switch... this would be great. But Steinberg never did that. And they will surely also not make the update (sans the synths) free. Whatever...



I guess if my question is not answered the next days, then I have to wait for the manual. And according to several threads on their "homebase" - it's not even done yet.

[4damind]

Eventually it was always written... Harrison Mixbus is also a virtual console emulation

This "sounds better" means IMO more it sound better without the needs of third-party plug-ins, because you have most of the important tools now in the channel strip. They have not changed something with the audio engine or with summing. It's always 32 Bit FP internal computing and the same engine.

[Compyfox]

This is pretty much the same that Helge Vogt said in the Musotalk video. No code changes, just a more streamlined/unified design.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[sqigls]

I've said it before, and I will say it again, f**k you Steinberg.

[SJ_Digriz]

@CompyFox

In case you missed it, the Borgz posted a pic of the channel complete with gain and phase.

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75&t=28699

[Compyfox]

Hm... "Pre section". Now this was something that could not be seen in the videos (I guess due to screensets). It was only in the channel view mode (right beside the EQ, which I like btw).

Definitely a good find, SJ_Digriz. Thanks for that. Clears one question.


Still remaining is the routing question.

[ZINO]

I've said it before, and I will say it again, f**k you Steinberg.

Well... it's about time someone f**ks them back after all these 200 Euro upgrades every couple of years.

Loyal Steinberg customer = f**ked up customer

[Compyfox]

I wouldn't say that. Steinberg software, especially Cubase, is still one of the top tools on the market. Not to mention long living one.

That something went wrong through the years, is apparent and nothing we need to further debate. Thing is, they still "do" something. Unlike certain other developers for one platform that is in danger since their main guru is dead (yes, talking about Mac, and yes, talking about Logic).


I'm happy that I sticked with it through all these years. But yes, the price is steep these days. Then again, it's not like we're forced to use "one" specific hardware device in order to get this host to run (as it was the case with ProTools).

[ZINO]

Not only the 200 euro upgrades but mostly that 50 Euro 6.5 update during grace period, that will also buy you a 200 Euro upgrade, is exacly the definition for the loyal customer f**k who bought this update during the first month or so. IMO of course

[glasgene]

there is a tube and tape stage in the channel strip. The tape would be a new algorithm..non?

[SJ_Digriz]

there is a tube and tape stage in the channel strip. The tape would be a new algorithm..non?

non

[SJ_Digriz]

I've said it before, and I will say it again, f**k you Steinberg.

Well... it's about time someone f**ks them back after all these 200 Euro upgrades every couple of years.

Loyal Steinberg customer = f**ked up customer

Yeah, how dare they continue to write code year after year. Bastards.

[Compyfox]

Not only the 200 euro upgrades but mostly that 50 Euro 6.5 update during grace period, that will also buy you a 200 Euro upgrade, is exacly the definition for the loyal customer f**k who bought this update during the first month or so. IMO of course

But you don't spend 200 bucks for C7 from Cubase 6.5 - you spend 150.

And those that got the door with C6.5 were lucky. I bugged Steinberg for MONTHS regarding an upgrade info, and they literally said "won't happen". How should I feel? I'm still on 6.0.7, and I didn't want to spend 50 quid for better editing (the synths still don't really interest me).


I'd feel funked if I barely used C6, or if I bought it 2 months ago and suddenly C7. Almost happened to me with SX2.2 to SX3 (which was a span of 1-2 months max!). But I got my use out of C6 (barely used C5 however - due to some crazy times back then).


The financial thing is debateable of course. But I don't see a need other than maybe saying "150 a version is enough, with 20-50quid for .5 versions". And... "do .1, .2 and .3 updates this time before you go straight to .5!".