T-RackS Custom Shop Released

[HM]

Very disappointing all around. Especially since during the gear credit group buy there was a strong indication that these things were going to be useful for purchasing the mystery thing coming up toward the end of the year.

Agreed I'm not sure why the bundles can't be purchased with credits. At least not yet anyway.

this is where i'm frustrated too. how many people are sitting here with around 300 gear credits going "now what the hell do i do?"

all the while that nice upgrade to the full "grand" edition for $99 or $150 is staring me in the face.

I feel you, I was SO close going in the credit-trap also, but fortunately I
did'nt, still, like many others mentioned here, when having every single,
(only missing the white one), the upgrade-price is not acceptable, I think
not many find the 5 new things that attractive, (the hole shell-idea either)

If you continue to throw money in their direction you justify their previous actions at the same time.

"-You are bad but here, have some more money"

You are definately having a point, thats about moral and principles, but also
the fact have been been raised about the concept being not even legal, inside
EU at least, we will have to see if there is any hope and better protection
for the customer comming from that corner

Anyway, for now, the only upgrade-path that make sense for those of us who
bought into the previous bundles, the "single-way", is that the 5 new things
are being offered at discount some day, that also gives us the chanse only
to get the one or two that might ACTUALLY be something to write home about

I might consider ST3 also, (as my Total Work Station is useless otherwise)

Then I guess Im out, and IK don't care, they are all about Ipad/Iphones now

[jsp1979]

...IK don't care, they are all about Ipad/Iphones now

I get the frustration, but this doesn't make sense. They just released 5 new effects plugins, 64 bit CSR, updated the Black/White.

I mean, give them at least some credit.

[HM]

...IK don't care, they are all about Ipad/Iphones now

I get the frustration, but this doesn't make sense. They just released 5 new effects plugins, 64 bit CSR, updated the Black/White.

I mean, give them at least some credit.

Sure, I give them credit for the 64 bit CSR, been waiting for years, and no
longer even have the ability or wish using 32 bit, so sure nice, I would
even have considered a little upgrade "tax" to be OK

(how-ever seemingly I'am then forced into the shell)

Don't have the time to read all pages, but could someone tell, in short,
If I can continue using all my singles WITHOUT the new shell ?

(I dont care if my "black" is not updated then)

[jsp1979]

You CAN run them without the shell.

Steps:
Download and install T-racks CS. It will install the newest Custom Shop and the Authorization Manager. Authorize T-racks CS using the serial in your account.

To get the standalone .dll's for your gear:
1. Open the custom shop
2. Click on the T-racks near the top left.
3. Under the "Gear" link, click on "Restore My Gear."

The .dll's for the non-shell versions of your gear will be installed to the directory. so, you can use them in the shell or outside the shell.

[Ah Xoc Kin]

Don't have the time to read all pages, but could someone tell, in short,
If I can continue using all my singles WITHOUT the new shell ?

(I dont care if my "black" is not updated then)

Yes.
I think you need to install the new T-Racks first, though.

I use some singles, and as a "shell" I prefer to use DSP Quattro with the advantage of being able to use plugins from any manufacturer.

By now I feel like selling my whole IK account with Jam Points that I'll never use and over 400 CS credits. Or perhaps I'll use my credits next year when their cartoonish products are at least 50% off.

[Compyfox]

The .dll's for the non-shell versions of your gear will be installed to the directory. so, you can use them in the shell or outside the shell.

a) You still need to download the 180MB file
b) after installation, without restoring gear, you have like 400MB resting on your HDD (the 320MB PAK file in the install folder being one, plus 75MB Manager and Custom Shop)
c) the plugins that are extracted also eat additional HDD space


I haven't tested to "remove" the 320MB PAK file yet. It will be reinstalled on upgrades anyway. But as long as you don't buy new stuff, or have installed everything, it's just eating space.

If there would be a "remove" option after you installed everything to your needs, something that ASKS you if you really want to do that, then it would be a nice step.

Else, waste of HDD space.

[jsp1979]

@Compyfox

I didn't say everything was perfect. I just answered the guy's question.

[HM]

You CAN run them without the shell.

Steps:
Download and install T-racks CS. It will install the newest Custom Shop and the Authorization Manager. Authorize T-racks CS using the serial in your account.

To get the standalone .dll's for your gear:
1. Open the custom shop
2. Click on the T-racks near the top left.
3. Under the "Gear" link, click on "Restore My Gear."

The .dll's for the non-shell versions of your gear will be installed to the directory. so, you can use them in the shell or outside the shell.

Thanks a lot ! thats a comfort at least, I figure the shell is playing the
role of the old "authorisation manager", btw most plugs are not installed yet
but only registrated, with 5 keys left in user area on all, they are bought for a new DAW soon finished, so it will be like new instalations, the new CS
is in the user area like it should be. Extra HDD space doesnt matter to me

Do fine without the 5 new ones, ST3 for my sounds is a bigger concern

[HM]

Don't have the time to read all pages, but could someone tell, in short,
If I can continue using all my singles WITHOUT the new shell ?

(I dont care if my "black" is not updated then)

Yes.
I think you need to install the new T-Racks first, though.

I use some singles, and as a "shell" I prefer to use DSP Quattro with the advantage of being able to use plugins from any manufacturer.

By now I feel like selling my whole IK account with Jam Points that I'll never use and over 400 CS credits. Or perhaps I'll use my credits next year when their cartoonish products are at least 50% off.

Thanks to you also, personally the hole concept with shells don't appeal,
(I guess some DAW's have their own features to avoid the need for additional
shells), its all getting so cluttered up, as for selling the IK-stuff, no, I don't realy consider, anyway it's worth nothing on the "market", and I love
SampleTank so much that I keep up the hope for ST3, but using more money on IK
after ST3 is unlikely, I don't like the proces we have been through here, and
like said earlyer, IK has obviously turned their focused in other directions also, every thing have their time,..

[t-willy]

I mean, give them at least some credit.

i can only give them gear "credit"

yar har

lates

t-willy

[VitaminD]

Else, waste of HDD space.

It does seem to eat more space than the old way. However, We can reduce this space by roughly half if you delete Pak.pak (the 300MB file), which seems to not hinder usage of the effects in VST form (don't remove the other .pak or the .vpa .vpa64 files however)


They have gone down the CS route.. I'm not sure there is any turning back. I think it's one way or the other way at this point and I don't see them abandoning the CS since they just spent a load of time with it.

Love it or hate it, It looks here to stay.


I think one thing is for sure.. wait for the discounted sale when buying from IKM now.. as it looks like we can't resell the CS versions of our plugins since they are tied to the Custom shop on our accounts. I hope at least THAT part is rectified.. I feel if you buy a single.. you should be able to sell that single at any point in time (even if it requires a 20 USD token to xfer).

Then again.. this is no different than Cakewalk not allowing transfers. I only buy their products when they are at least 50% off

[bmanic]

One other thing I want to add. Guys if these tools, which is what they are, are not benefiting you in either some fun or monetary way then WTF are you doing?

The very reason that I want to sell these tools is because I am using these tools professionally (I get paid for my work). They've slowly evolved to become very cumbersome to use. IK Multimedia is definitely targeting the non-professional the way they are doing their "custom shop" thingy.

So, I'd say on the contrary. For hobbyists these will probably work (computer connected to internet at all times) but in a professional environment it has gotten worse with every iteration.. at least in my opinion.

Cheers!
bManic

[HM]

as it looks like we can't resell the CS versions of our plugins since they are tied to the Custom shop on our accounts. I hope at least THAT part is rectified.. I feel if you buy a single.. you should be able to sell that single at any point in time (even if it requires a 20 USD token to xfer).:

Then again.. this is no different than Cakewalk not allowing transfers.

Maybe is, I guess Cakewalk is US-based. Like someone mentioned what IK do
is actually not legal in EU, if it means you cant sell again, (and anyway not in us customers interest), as for a "transfer-fee", we have seen them set shameless high, (just to work around the legal regulations), I guss IK lowered the fees recently, maybe to avoid evenlually legal steps, I guess its a grey-zone,...

As far as I know, NI and Steinberg, two other EU compagnies allow transfer,
in tune with the rules. The hole new CS-concept could be a "try-out" to get
around the EU rules, and tie up the customers, being stocked up in praksis
with products they cant get rid of in real life

Wonder if I push "restore my gear", and plugs then start a new life as a part
of this shell, does IK think that allows them keep us from selling ?


(I realise they can maybe act alternatively by some rediculess high transfer-
fee, to sabotage re-sale, but in legal sense thats probably another question
that depends on law and presedance)

[sonicpowa]

They've slowly evolved to become very cumbersome to use. IK Multimedia is definitely targeting the non-professional the way they are doing their "custom shop" thingy.

Definitely +1

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I can't remember if this is the right thread or not but in fact it is kinda not good to have the plugs a 48 hour demo when the singles/t racks thing was longer. Just a thought.

I've noted and forwarded this concern recently, I'll let you know if any news.