KVR Audio

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:05 pm

When I was putting together stuff for the ElectraX vocaloid bank, it was loads of fun then to just randomly take out a waveform and mess with it.

Rayblaster allows you to do that, and then some, so it's a great laugh taking things out of random wave files and throwing them in the mix. Especially heavily distorted 909's , as I mentioned before, dubsteppers delight

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:30 pm

hakey wrote:
Sendy wrote:There's more to it but that is the basis of how RB decouples timbre from pitch.
Decoupling timbre and pitch, so that, eg, a vocal sample can be repitched without changing its duration, is what resynthesis is about.

But that has little to do with capturing a filter response.

Different concepts altogether.

Really? Come on...

You're so quick to dismiss this. Think about it. Decoupling pitch from timbre means also decoupling timbre from pitch. So you're free to modulate timbre up and down without affecting pitch. Do that with a resonant waveform and *boom* moving resonances, moving stopbands, moving comb filters. Within the limits of this system and with the idiosyncracies it brings. Does it sound like an actual analog filter. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

And yes, suggesting this kind of modulation (clever and useful as it is) can emulate any filter over the whole bandwidth is just plain out lies, but these days I get a bit of a chuckle from *anyone* who is good at synthesis taking tone2 blurbage seriously.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:13 pm

Yep, Sendy. I see your point.

The impulse response capture I had in mind was that extracted from a filter sweep.

RayBlaster simply extracts a filter's formant at a fixed cut off and then transposes it. You're correct, that is resynthesis.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:57 pm

Urs wrote:...I think I'm gonna buy RayBlaster because it does that thing really well

Methinks Tone2 should give up the rest of their marketing efforts and just ask permission to post this on their website?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:27 pm

flakes2 wrote:I don't think that rayblast has been developed with the intention to be an authentic analog emulation.
The synth can do much more exciting stuff. But some of you must admit that it is capable of mimicing certain analog sounds very well.

And it does NOT sound like a cheap Casio CZ or a 12-bit rompler.

This sums it up quite well IMO.

At the beginning Markus was not much interested in the analog emulations until we (including me who created a first collection of waveforms with filter responses...) discovered that this could work quite well.

Anyway later i slowly moved away from those emulations and started creating my own waveforms with Wave Designer and other sources which i used and am using for many of my presets.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:35 pm

Rayblaster song write competition:

http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?topic=1360.0

Ingo

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:42 pm

Btw, and I did mentioned it as a FR.....but I am sure I haven't been the first to ask it.....why doesn't Tone2 synths have right click midi cc learn functionality?
The matrix mapping is such a extremely limited way to do it.
rsp

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:46 pm

zvenx wrote:Btw, and I did mentioned it as a FR.....but I am sure I haven't been the first to ask it.....why doesn't Tone2 synths have right click midi cc learn functionality?
The matrix mapping is such a extremely limited way to do it.
rsp

For mapping my Korg NanoKONTROL to most of the parameters i have used the MIDI mapping feature in Ableton Live 8.
I have noticed that you could also do undo/redo of adjusted parameters from the Ableton Live edit menu.

Anyway a proper MIDI learn would be a nice idea.

Ingo

Brittlestem · Post by **Brittlestem** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:54 pm

zvenx wrote:Btw, and I did mentioned it as a FR.....but I am sure I haven't been the first to ask it.....why doesn't Tone2 synths have right click midi cc learn functionality?
The matrix mapping is such a extremely limited way to do it.
rsp

It was/is in Gladiator. They didn't implement it after that - it's sad how they can focus on BUY MORE SOUNDBANKS yet ignore such basic feature requests.

I'm sure the White Knights of Tone2 will be along shortly to explain.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:00 pm

re_mute wrote:
zvenx wrote:Btw, and I did mentioned it as a FR.....but I am sure I haven't been the first to ask it.....why doesn't Tone2 synths have right click midi cc learn functionality?
The matrix mapping is such a extremely limited way to do it.
rsp
It was/is in Gladiator. They didn't implement it after that - it's sad how they can focus on BUY MORE SOUNDBANKS yet ignore such basic feature requests.

I'm sure the White Knights of Tone2 will be along shortly to explain.

hmm.

I thought I may have missed it, but I went to my mac, opened gladiator 2.4 I think is the latest, and I tried to right click a few parameters and didn't get a midi cc learn option.

was it implemented differently?

rsp

edit:
ahh the difference is in the matrix modulation there it gives you way more than the four cc numbers that at least rayblaster gives
rsp

Markus responded:

http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?to ... 93#msg6393

rsp

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:47 pm

Kriminal wrote:
3: Main Amplifier, Glide, Drive, + Unison Controls.
Here you will find the main amp envelope for Rayblaster, along with the unison & spread,
pan, glide (Portamento) and drive controls.
seems to be just this in the manual....so whats the Drive? what is driven, how, and where in the audio path?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:54 pm

re_mute wrote:
zvenx wrote:Btw, and I did mentioned it as a FR.....but I am sure I haven't been the first to ask it.....why doesn't Tone2 synths have right click midi cc learn functionality?
The matrix mapping is such a extremely limited way to do it.
rsp
It was/is in Gladiator. They didn't implement it after that - it's sad how they can focus on BUY MORE SOUNDBANKS yet ignore such basic feature requests.

I'm sure the White Knights of Tone2 will be along shortly to explain.

Reply from Markus at the forum:

http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?topic=1332.30

"Hello zvenx,

Midi learn is already available in Gladiator and electrax. Please take a look at the handbook and to this forum for the details. If you need further assistance you can also send an email to Bastiaan.
I don't have the details in my mind and am currently not sitting in front of my computer, but I remember that in electrax midi learn can be activated by clicking on the 'help' button.

We will implement a midi learn feature for a future update of RayBlaster if enough customers request it."

I could confirm that Midi learn in ElectraX seems to be available fom clicking on "Help". In Gladiator the CC numbers seem to be available in the mod matrix.

Not really identical to a built-in MIDI learn but as i already mentioned i was able to assign most of the Rayblaster parameters to my Korg NanoKONTROL using the MIDI mapping in Ableton Live 8.

Here are two screenshots about that (this was done during the beta test):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/IW_Ra ... gn%202.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/IW_Ra ... gn%201.png

When clicking on "Configure" (first screenshot) i could add parameters by clicking on them in the GUI. the with a right click on the parameter in the list (second screenshot) i could could assign a MIDI controller.

I guess something like that should be also available in other DAWs/hosts.

Kriminal wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
3: Main Amplifier, Glide, Drive, + Unison Controls.
Here you will find the main amp envelope for Rayblaster, along with the unison & spread,
pan, glide (Portamento) and drive controls.
seems to be just this in the manual....so whats the Drive? what is driven, how, and where in the audio path?

Why don't you try the knob yourself and see what happens?

Ingo

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:05 pm

It is indeed available from the help menu in ElectraX....Markus updated his post and says it is available by modifiers and left mouse in gladiator, but so far I haven't been able to get that working......

Saurus and Rayblaster following the ElectraX model would be nice.

rsp

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:07 pm

Brilliant reply ingo.....no need for a manual at all

Moving the koib doesnt answer any of the questions i asked, hence the questions

From your reply i can only assume you know nothing about it.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:12 pm

Kriminal wrote:Brilliant reply ingo.....no need for a manual at all

Moving the koib doesnt answer any of the questions i asked, hence the questions

From your reply i can only assume you know nothing about it.

So far when i tried to give serious answers you turned it against me at some point so that is what you get. Anyway for what should a "Drive" knob be useful? Have a guess. The same kind of knob could be also found in Saurus BTW...

Drive FXs are also available as external FXs (e.g. schwa Oligarc Drive) so they are not bound to a certain filter.

Ingo

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