KVR Audio

secretkillerofnames · Post by **secretkillerofnames** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:20 am

Strange I've always found the audio device to be terrible. I could only get the USB to work on one port on my Macbook Pro and if I tried to use MIDI and AUDIO it would start glitching with horrid latency. I have older computers though so maybe it works better with USB3 compatible ports?!
Also I never got the audio in to work decently as a oscillator even though it is supposed to. Interesting to hear people's experience with this.
Fabricio Poce's Max4Live stuff is essential if you have a Venom / and Ableton Max4Live however it is a different workflow than the Vyzex editor.

Zombiesound · Post by **Zombiesound** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:20 pm

mkdr, any update on the vst/pattern editor

mkdr, If you crowdsource with paypal you will become a rich man!

mkdr wrote:
mikebenson wrote: I'm willing to beta test the venom vsti editor if/when you get to that point. How's the development going?
Cool. I'll let you know when i get to that point.

The progress has been kinda slow. I've had too many projects and things to do at the moment. Currently I've built the dataset which defines all controls. Nearly all knobs and switches are done too. Binary format conversion is working too. Now i just need to arrange the GUI, check the sysex messaging system(it's a bit different to other synths) and it should be beta testable

I also noticed in the manual that it might be possible to include an editable Arp to every patch. And it includes controllers too! So basicly, if i can hack it up correctly and if it indeed works as i understood, we could have an editable arp per patch which can double as a modulation sequencer. That could be sweet
I'll do a simple editor without the seq hack first though..

Edit: Ok, been hacking this seq thing up. The manual describes a very flexible system of note events and 5 controllers at a range of 2 bars. Max 256 events. The flexibility is that it can be turned into six simultaneous sequencer tracks, and can be made to do envelope type of stuff for controllers or pitch... Wow. Loving this synth more and more
If it works!!

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:25 am

I got mine in from Sweetwater the other day and have been fiddling about. Are there features lacking that would put it over the top?....yes, of course. For $200 do I want complain?...HELL TO THE NO!!

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:26 am

secretkillerofnames wrote:Strange I've always found the audio device to be terrible. I could only get the USB to work on one port on my Macbook Pro and if I tried to use MIDI and AUDIO it would start glitching with horrid latency. I have older computers though so maybe it works better with USB3 compatible ports?!
Also I never got the audio in to work decently as a oscillator even though it is supposed to. Interesting to hear people's experience with this.
Fabricio Poce's Max4Live stuff is essential if you have a Venom / and Ableton Max4Live however it is a different workflow than the Vyzex editor.

No problems here running the Venom audio interface(256 sample latency) + Midi on Win8 on an 2009 Acer laptop with 1.8Ggz Core2 Solo and 4Gb Ram.
Works like a charm also on my desktop Win7 3ghz quad AMD even though it has 12 usb ports all in use + few hubs and all.

Both my machines are just USB2. Using USB3 wouldn't be any different as Venom itself uses 2.

Are you using the ASIO drivers from M-Audio or the basic coreaudio ones?

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:37 am

Zombiesound wrote:mkdr, any update on the vst/pattern editor
mkdr, If you crowdsource with paypal you will become a rich man!

Update: Piece by piece getting there

I re-wrote some stuff this week to the editor-core(the part that is in MophoEd too) to make sysex decoding faster and improve patch loading times. Also improved the patch loading screen a bit. The responsiveness has been something I've thrived for. Might not seem like much for you guys right now, but really adds up to the whole user experience in the end. So maybe ready for some beta tests soonish..

The crowdsourcing isn't actually a bad idea when i think about it. Not because i'd need the money but because currently i'm doing this as a hobby. Investing my time building these could be better explained to my wife if there are backers

Well it wouldn't hurt to know the amount of users beforehand too. I've run into some trouble with MophoEd as i haven't got decent methods to deal with a huge client list. I thought there'd be just a couple dozen...

mikebenson · Post by **mikebenson** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:48 am

mkdr wrote:...
Well it wouldn't hurt to know the amount of users beforehand too. I've run into some trouble with MophoEd as i haven't got decent methods to deal with a huge client list. I thought there'd be just a couple dozen...

Would a service like Payloadz help relieve some pressure on that front?

https://www.payloadz.com/Features.aspx

Storms · Post by **Storms** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:02 pm

secretkillerofnames wrote:Strange I've always found the audio device to be terrible. I could only get the USB to work on one port on my Macbook Pro and if I tried to use MIDI and AUDIO it would start glitching with horrid latency. I have older computers though so maybe it works better with USB3 compatible ports?!
Also I never got the audio in to work decently as a oscillator even though it is supposed to. Interesting to hear people's experience with this.
Fabricio Poce's Max4Live stuff is essential if you have a Venom / and Ableton Max4Live however it is a different workflow than the Vyzex editor.

Sounds like you might be using a shared USB port or have some other issues. I've had no problems with using MIDI and audio together over USB on a Windows 7 laptop with a Core 2 Duo processor and Ableton Live 8.

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:39 pm

can someone please explain how to make your own patterns for the venom? I cannot figure it out. I just want basic gating type arps. Like a du-du-du---du

Thanks

mikebenson · Post by **mikebenson** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:17 pm

mikebenson wrote:
mkdr wrote:...
Well it wouldn't hurt to know the amount of users beforehand too. I've run into some trouble with MophoEd as i haven't got decent methods to deal with a huge client list. I thought there'd be just a couple dozen...
Would a service like Payloadz help relieve some pressure on that front?

https://www.payloadz.com/Features.aspx

... or shopify.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:13 pm

Mine is working well and was a good investment.

Its also sounding MUCH better now then when I was stuck with the original presets.

I didn't really care for those.

Its got a lot potential and can sound very nice.

It sounded a bit brittle out of the box but I expected that from all the reviews.

Apparently, they are no longer made.

Storms · Post by **Storms** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:09 am

PatchAdamz wrote:Mine is working well and was a good investment.

Its also sounding MUCH better now then when I was stuck with the original presets.

I didn't really care for those.

Its got a lot potential and can sound very nice.

It sounded a bit brittle out of the box but I expected that from all the reviews.

Apparently, they are no longer made.

The mod matrix is pretty flexible on this thing! I heard that one of the developers on the Alesis Ion worked on it; it's not surprising. This thing does have potential. I'd love to hear some of your patches.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:18 am

Storms wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:Mine is working well and was a good investment.

Its also sounding MUCH better now then when I was stuck with the original presets.

I didn't really care for those.

Its got a lot potential and can sound very nice.

It sounded a bit brittle out of the box but I expected that from all the reviews.

Apparently, they are no longer made.
The mod matrix is pretty flexible on this thing! I heard that one of the developers on the Alesis Ion worked on it; it's not surprising. This thing does have potential. I'd love to hear some of your patches.

Oh yea, design wise it has some very interesting features.
Those that got it for $200-300 really got a super deal.

Having owned many classic hardware synths, I have to say it really doesn't sound partially analog.
But there are many analog element's.
It seems the designer wanted a more modern sound so it has a more edgy personality.
That's great but it is not limited to sounding edgy.

I have been doing a number of experiment's with it and have found some ways to get it sounding warm and richer besides the traditional programming means.

Its never going to sound like a Moog or Oberheim but it can get closer then what the presets currently do.

It does have the ability to be FAT, LARGE, MASSIVE.

If you were to try to do some of the things this can do on a PC you would use your CPU up quickly.

So in some ways it is very powerful and capable.

The effects don't do much for me, they actually take away from the sound.

To take advantage of the capabilities while getting a warmer, richer tone is my goal and I already have a number of patches demonstrating this.

Its rather time consuming to program to accomplish this but I know it will really make it so much more useful musically.

I hope to have some examples up by the end of the weekend, following week.

I am currently completing a set of Zebra presets so it depends on how quickly that goes.

None the less, I will be making a bank of presets for it.

It would be great to have it be old school and new and that is the goal.

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:33 am

I am realizing that the power of this synth is within the Multi Mode. The Singles are good for the classic and basic VA stuff... I now see the light.

It doesn't do anything my software wont, but it is nice to know that if I can fill this thing up with "MY" favorite kinds of patches... it will be there for me without having to touch a mouse. hehe

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:39 am

vaisnava wrote:
It doesn't do anything my software wont,

Well, It can do some things that would use up your CPU if being done with software.

That's one of the nice things about hardware..it has its own CPU.

It is a dedicated computer...

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:37 am

The new presets are coming alone very well.
I have been able to get closer to the classic hardware synths from the 70s-80s then I thought was possible with Venom.

For the first time it is sounding like Roland, Korg, Oberhiem and Moog, not exact but surprisingly close.

The collection will include 200+ presets for Venom designed to expand its usability.

Unlike the original hardware synths, more oscillator's are being used which allows for a nice full emulation.
Now with the ability to emulate the old vintage synths, Venom is all the more powerful.

I will have some demos up shortly and will post some here.
I think many will be surprised and pleased at the warmer, more analog vibe coming from Venom.

M-Audio Venom Analog Modeling Synthesizer