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LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:17 pm

Hi Andy,

well, I still find a sine-LFO a must have. However, I haven't yet found a way to introduce this option without breaking the current GUI concept (*).

Cheers,
LiteOn

*: And god knows how long I was staring at the gui on my iPad today's afternoon ...

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:57 am

LiteOn wrote:Hi Andy,

well, I still find a sine-LFO a must have. However, I haven't yet found a way to introduce this option without breaking the current GUI concept (*).

Cheers,
LiteOn

*: And god knows how long I was staring at the gui on my iPad today's afternoon ...

one way to add more waveform choices to the LFO is to make the on/off toggle button more than 2 states of operation.. so you press it and it toggles through the waveforms and one of the slots could be 'off'

the problem is this then effects the idea of automating the lfo on/off state.. since then you'd be automating LFO waveform and on/off once you toggled through.. but it would add for far more LFO waveform choices.

a way around that on/off issue would be to cut the button in half.. one for LFO waveform choice.. one for on/off

not ideal but it's an option

personally, i'm impressed w/how funky the LFO gets.. but i'm a fan of more LFO shapes in general.. on everything.

edit: i'll add that i have no idea how this effects the morphign of waveforms for the LFO and how that gets implemented etc etc.. just spitballing from a "i've never designed any kind of gui for anything and don't know shit about plug in developing either" perspective

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:23 pm

dayjob wrote: one way to add more waveform choices to the LFO is to make the on/off toggle button more than 2 states of operation.. so you press it and it toggles through the waveforms and one of the slots could be 'off'

Objection!

Because of

dayjob wrote: the problem is this then effects the idea of automating the lfo on/off state.. since then you'd be automating LFO waveform and on/off once you toggled through.. but it would add for far more LFO waveform choices.

Plus, it would break one of the core concepts of the gui. The blue on/off-toggles should remain, erm, on/off-toggles. They provide easy visual orientiation on what section is activated or not.

Maybe just a switch which makes the triangle a sine without breaking the LFO wave morphing. But that would mean, sine and triangle are mutually exclusive - nope, that's a bad idea either.

Cheers,
LiteOn

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:18 am

LiteOn wrote:
dayjob wrote: one way to add more waveform choices to the LFO is to make the on/off toggle button more than 2 states of operation.. so you press it and it toggles through the waveforms and one of the slots could be 'off'
Objection!

Because of
dayjob wrote: the problem is this then effects the idea of automating the lfo on/off state.. since then you'd be automating LFO waveform and on/off once you toggled through.. but it would add for far more LFO waveform choices.

Plus, it would break one of the core concepts of the gui. The blue on/off-toggles should remain, erm, on/off-toggles. They provide easy visual orientiation on what section is activated or not.

Maybe just a switch which makes the triangle a sine without breaking the LFO wave morphing. But that would mean, sine and triangle are mutually exclusive - nope, that's a bad idea either.

Cheers,
LiteOn

yeah i was just thinking off the top of my head..but i think splitting the on off toggle into two switches.. one that is on off w/same functionality as is current and the other being a toggle to toggle through various waveform shapes could work.. but as we both said.. this would effect the waveform morphing feature in some way.. which is a feature i like and is integral to the plug in...

but it wouldn't have to effect the visual orientation of the state of the LFO because you would still have the switch for on/off.. it would just be half the size it is currently.

i'll go on record though as saying that it's obvious that a lot of man hours went into making this gui what it is and closely tying it to the operation of the plug in and it do find it to be a work of art visually and operationally and disturbing that in any way does give me pause.. but since we're all just throwing out "what ifs" that obviously Andy isn't going to sit there and throw all these ideas into some kind of GUI cluster f**k and see what shakes out .. then makes it OK for us all to discuss.. which i'm sure results in some facepalming on andy's part

for same reason i stated above.. this gui is beautiful and makes the plug in a joy to use (and of course it sounds the awesome)

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:07 am

dayjob wrote:...and throw all these ideas into some kind of GUI cluster f**k and see what shakes out .. then makes it OK for us all to discuss.. which i'm sure results in some facepalming on andy's part for same reason i stated above.. this gui is beautiful and makes the plug in a joy to use (and of course it sounds the awesome)

I'm completely with you. Great plugin.

Cheers,
LiteOn"

ducelare · Post by **ducelare** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:41 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: A right+click menu would also be helpful for selecting filter type. This would be in addition to the knob that's currently used. It would be great for jumping from one type to another for quick A/B'ing of how a given filter's tone effects the audio.
I completely agree here, in fact not even a right click, I meant to add a left click of the name of the filter circuit to popup a list.

yes for simple left click + pop up menu to select filter type! don't really feel the need to have a knob for this.

great plugin btw

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:24 pm

yes, i think the knob for changing filter type is strange.

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:03 am

sqigls wrote:yes, i think the knob for changing filter type is strange.

i wonder if when all the filter types are in there the knob will make for nice automation of filter types that would some how be different w/o the knob?

4ppleseed · Post by **4ppleseed** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:02 am

Would love a vintage modelled EQ from you next - somthing like the Waves V-Series but with a switch to select from the different classic EQs across the years

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:14 pm

4ppleseed wrote:Would love a vintage modelled EQ from you next - somthing like the Waves V-Series but with a switch to select from the different classic EQs across the years

...maybe a virtual synth that can also incorporate The Drop (an all in one unit) if you like :@)

PascalVB · Post by **PascalVB** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Or license some of the Drop's filter models to FXpansion so they can release a Synth Squad v2.0 with these filter models built in? (hint, hint)

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:15 pm

4ppleseed wrote:Would love a vintage modelled EQ from you next - somthing like the Waves V-Series but with a switch to select from the different classic EQs across the years

Andy already alluded to next up being a modelled EQ of some kind, followed by a compressor, then a synth. I'll be buying them all!

pheeleep · Post by **pheeleep** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:01 am

I finally had a chance to demo The Drop last night. This filter puts my other ones to shame. Wow.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:15 am

If you do add extra LFO waveforms please add square and sawtooth if possible, these two are awesome for lo-fi and glitchy stuff.

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:57 am

If you guys are really in need of different LFO shapes, you can use an audio signal instead. Just route a LFO control signal into the audio sidechain for the filter FM. If you also want to use the FM with an audio signal, mix that signal into the LFO signal in your host's mixer.

Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter