Cognosphere from Hollow Sun
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 19 Apr, 2010
Any chance of a tweak such that hitting the random dial when a sound is playing doesn't cause that short burst of break-up noise? I'm not sure what the best transition solution would be offhand, but most anything would be an improvement. Perhaps a forced fade ending with the random change for the next incoming note?
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I have a fairly large eurorack modular, and I tend to use it to make weird, experimental sounds. I've resisted the urge to pick up any of the Music Laboratory Machines because, quite frankly, I'm afraid that I'll just click the randomize button a few times and use that instead of patching up noises on my modular.
But you know what? Life is too short. These are awesome instruments, and I'm only cheating myself by not enjoying them. I think I'll pick up the whole set tomorrow.
But you know what? Life is too short. These are awesome instruments, and I'm only cheating myself by not enjoying them. I think I'll pick up the whole set tomorrow.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
- KVRAF
- 23129 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
I am not sure if that's possible, really. Sorry. My first suggestion would be not clicking the random dial before the sound fades out itself, and my second suggestion would be clicking the "!" button in top right corner of Kontakt's interface to reset the audio engine.jneilnyc wrote:Any chance of a tweak such that hitting the random dial when a sound is playing doesn't cause that short burst of break-up noise? I'm not sure what the best transition solution would be offhand, but most anything would be an improvement. Perhaps a forced fade ending with the random change for the next incoming note?
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 19 Apr, 2010
I'm trying to use it in a *really* random fashion, which ideally would mean that any note sent to this MLM would trigger a new sound that might also be in a new voice. In this case there's no way of knowing for sure when the previous voice has finished sounding. I don't know if there's some way of allocating more voices internally such that an incoming "randomize' is allocated a parallel track and thus lets the previous voice complete, if that makes sense. Either that or some sort of buffer that continues to sound the previous note while the randomizing is occurring...EvilDragon wrote:I am not sure if that's possible, really. Sorry. My first suggestion would be not clicking the random dial before the sound fades out itself, and my second suggestion would be clicking the "!" button in top right corner of Kontakt's interface to reset the audio engine.jneilnyc wrote:Any chance of a tweak such that hitting the random dial when a sound is playing doesn't cause that short burst of break-up noise? I'm not sure what the best transition solution would be offhand, but most anything would be an improvement. Perhaps a forced fade ending with the random change for the next incoming note?
I'm sure it could be faked on my end with multiple instances of Cogniture and some sort of round-robin system of triggering that would minimize the chance of a 'randomize' and a sounding voice being sent to the same channel in a way that would collide, but that seems resource intensive and I was hoping that there might be some better way.
- KVRAF
- 23129 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Sorry, that can't be done, really. The randomizer changes instrument parameters instantly. Some of those changes apply to all currently sounding notes, some are not. That's just the nature of how Kontakt behaves. Scripting can do nothing about it.jneilnyc wrote:I don't know if there's some way of allocating more voices internally such that an incoming "randomize' is allocated a parallel track and thus lets the previous voice complete, if that makes sense. Either that or some sort of buffer that continues to sound the previous note while the randomizing is occurring...
For sure you might be able to use multiple instances of Cognosphere, each set to its own MIDI channel, and a multiscript to forward each played key to the next MIDI channel, then wrap around to MIDI channel 1, but it's a very roundabout way of doing things. It could work, though.jneilnyc wrote:I'm sure it could be faked on my end with multiple instances of Cognosphere and some sort of round-robin system of triggering that would minimize the chance of a 'randomize' and a sounding voice being sent to the same channel in a way that would collide, but that seems resource intensive and I was hoping that there might be some better way.
BTW, loading multiple instances of Cognosphere does not load samples multiple times (just once, then shares them between all loaded instances), however there is some resource overhead for graphics (they don't seem to be shared) and other internal Kontakt-related stuff (variables, engine parameters, whatever).
However, the randomizer is how it is, and it's very likely that it's going to remain that way, for reasons stated above. I do hope that you're still enjoying Cognosphere in spite of its randomizing shortcomings (which are not my scripting faults at all, mind you).
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1597 posts since 15 Jan, 2005 from Vales Of Glamorgan, South Wales, UK
Nah! You'll still use the modular. Don't forget I have a modular here too and just because I have the MLMs doesn't mean it gets used less and the quirkiness of the MLMs sits nicely alongside the madness of a modular!deastman wrote:I have a fairly large eurorack modular, and I tend to use it to make weird, experimental sounds. I've resisted the urge to pick up any of the Music Laboratory Machines because, quite frankly, I'm afraid that I'll just click the randomize button a few times and use that instead of patching up noises on my modular.
deastman wrote:But you know what? Life is too short. These are awesome instruments, and I'm only cheating myself by not enjoying them. I think I'll pick up the whole set tomorrow.
Cheers,
Stephen
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 10 Apr, 2001 from Madison
So...for us mac users, what's this when it's at home? I've tried holding command (zeroes the semitones) and shift (doesn't seem to do anything) and option, and command-shift (nothing) and control (learn MIDI cc) and...EvilDragon wrote:Something regarding this is on horizon. Holding Alt key will round the Tune knobs to semitones. Then by holding Shift and moving the Tune knobs you will be able to offset them additionally in cents.SBall wrote:Using the Shift key (on a PC) seems to help, but I still can't seem to dial in a precise setting of, say, -24.00 without a lot of fiddling.
Well, I just want to tune this. I just got the thing last week so I would expect this to be the latest version...
Any help?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1597 posts since 15 Jan, 2005 from Vales Of Glamorgan, South Wales, UK
It IS the latest version and, as a Mac user/developer, it's exactly as described
Unmodified, the TUNE control is in semitone steps; with SHIFT pressed, the tune control is smooth and fine ... on my Mac. And this is with the 'standalone' Cognosphere and the one (same version) included in the MLM Suite. I just downloaded both to make sure they're the latest versions.
Not my intended way of spending Christmas day but ho-hum!
Cheers,
Stephen
It IS the latest version.NullDevice wrote:I've tried holding command (zeroes the semitones) and shift (doesn't seem to do anything) and option, and command-shift (nothing) and control (learn MIDI cc) and...
Well, I just want to tune this. I just got the thing last week so I would expect this to be the latest version...
Unmodified, the TUNE control is in semitone steps; with SHIFT pressed, the tune control is smooth and fine ... on my Mac. And this is with the 'standalone' Cognosphere and the one (same version) included in the MLM Suite. I just downloaded both to make sure they're the latest versions.
Not my intended way of spending Christmas day but ho-hum!
Cheers,
Stephen
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 10 Apr, 2001 from Madison
I expected you to reply, like, next week.
I just figured I was doing something wrong. I'll figure it out. Thanks!
I just figured I was doing something wrong. I'll figure it out. Thanks!
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1597 posts since 15 Jan, 2005 from Vales Of Glamorgan, South Wales, UK
And unfortunately, devs have to anticipate and be on guard against people carpet bombing the forums with "Yeah, well, like, I contacted XYZ on their official forum and, like, didn't receive a reply within 14 nanoseconds so they are are, like sh!t and stuff - don't have anything to do with them coz they are like rubbish"
Merry Christmas!
Cheers,
Stephen
Merry Christmas!
Cheers,
Stephen
- KVRAF
- 23129 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Alt on PC = Opt on Mac.
So, the breakdown is:
Shift - finetuning
Ctrl/Cmd - default to zero
Alt/Opt - tuning in semitones
So, the breakdown is:
Shift - finetuning
Ctrl/Cmd - default to zero
Alt/Opt - tuning in semitones