KVR Audio

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:37 pm

4damind wrote:After some more testing...Compared to other synth it's worth not more then $30.

Is this based only on the feature set or also on the quality of the oscillators or filters?

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:39 pm

Analogue synths have free running oscillators. That means they're not phase locked. Lots of other VAs have both modes to choose from, since phase locking them can be really good for bass sounds to make them sound stable, but free running them sounds great for pads, more analog, phasey.

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:57 pm

DuX wrote:Analogue synths have free running oscillators. That means they're not phase locked. Lots of other VAs have both modes to choose from, since phase locking them can be really good for bass sounds to make them sound stable, but free running them sounds great for pads, more analog, phasey.

Aah, thanks for that. I have seen that on some other synths like the MiniV.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:07 pm

Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:10 pm

izonin wrote:I wish Soundtoys also released a VA. They have the best filters, the best delays.. what else do you need for an excellent synth!

Yeah!!

. SoundToys will spend a year developing,yes it will sound great but it will be released as a 32bit Softsynth and give them another reason why they will not have 64bit updates until 2015!

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:12 pm

Uncle E wrote:
4damind wrote:After some more testing...Compared to other synth it's worth not more then $30.
Is this based only on the feature set or also on the quality of the oscillators or filters?

Because of the limited features to other/similar synth.

dmbaer · Post by **dmbaer** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:21 pm

robotmonkey wrote: ... but the world does not need another VA!

That would have been my opinion until about a month ago when I first tried D16's LuSH-101. This is a new VA synth as well, but not one I would like to part with. I'm not arguing that Elements is anything special, but LuSH-101 really is, and disproves this assertion, IMO.

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:31 pm

himalaya wrote:Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.

Yeah, no phasing effect with DCO enabled on both. Pretty nice feature to have that assignable to each oscillator. I guess that's one thing that maybe separates Element from other similar synths.

Impulslogik · Post by **Impulslogik** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:54 pm

evo2slo wrote:
himalaya wrote:Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.
Yeah, no phasing effect with DCO enabled on both. Pretty nice feature to have that assignable to each oscillator. I guess that's one thing that maybe separates Element from other similar synths.

You can simulate VCO and DCO in synths like z3ta+, surge, helix...you can also make the osc freerun or in sync...so you can do z3ta+ or helix sounding ultra warm and fat or ultra cold and stable. Nothing new...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:02 pm

that was fun...created an account and got it activated, but when i tried to DL it went tits up...now i cant DL as it says i already have it, which i dont.

anyone got the pc installer for the demo they want to send over? (as waves are impossible to contact via email)

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:04 pm

Impulslogik wrote:
evo2slo wrote:
himalaya wrote:Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.
Yeah, no phasing effect with DCO enabled on both. Pretty nice feature to have that assignable to each oscillator. I guess that's one thing that maybe separates Element from other similar synths.
You can simulate VCO and DCO in synths like z3ta+...you can also make the osc freerun or in sync...so you can do z3ta sounding ultra warm and fat or ultra cold and stable. Nothing new...

Didn't mean to imply it was something new, just different from comparable synths like Retrologue and Dune, which is what I've been comparing it to as they seem very similar. Basic low cpu VA's with single window interfaces.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:09 pm

evo2slo wrote:
Impulslogik wrote:
evo2slo wrote:
himalaya wrote:Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.
Yeah, no phasing effect with DCO enabled on both. Pretty nice feature to have that assignable to each oscillator. I guess that's one thing that maybe separates Element from other similar synths.
You can simulate VCO and DCO in synths like z3ta+...you can also make the osc freerun or in sync...so you can do z3ta sounding ultra warm and fat or ultra cold and stable. Nothing new...
Didn't mean to imply it was something new, just different from comparable synths like Retrologue and Dune, which is what I've been comparing it to as they seem very similar. Basic low cpu VA's with single window interfaces.

you can set osc phase in Dune in the matrix, for each osc.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:15 pm

There are many comparable synths so the free running oscillators aren't new. Nor is the DCO mode.

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:22 pm

Kriminal wrote:
evo2slo wrote:
Impulslogik wrote:
evo2slo wrote:
himalaya wrote:Looking at the GUI I can see buttons labeled 'DCO' and this indicates that Element may have an alternative sound when these are enabled. Try them ( I don't have the demo) and see how the oscillators behave in the DCO mode. They should imitate real DCOs and stay in tune, hence the phasing effect (due to naturally occurring Voltage Controlled Oscillator detuning in the non-DCO mode) will be minimised.
Yeah, no phasing effect with DCO enabled on both. Pretty nice feature to have that assignable to each oscillator. I guess that's one thing that maybe separates Element from other similar synths.
You can simulate VCO and DCO in synths like z3ta+...you can also make the osc freerun or in sync...so you can do z3ta sounding ultra warm and fat or ultra cold and stable. Nothing new...
Didn't mean to imply it was something new, just different from comparable synths like Retrologue and Dune, which is what I've been comparing it to as they seem very similar. Basic low cpu VA's with single window interfaces.
you can set osc phase in Dune in the matrix, for each osc.

So in Dune if I assign one LFO to OSC1 phase and a second LFO to OSC2 phase, I should get the same effect as two VCOs like in Element?

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:31 pm

I really like this synth. There is something to the sound that I can't quite put my finger on but is certainly different sounding to a lot of others in the arsenal. There's some instantly gratifying presets which are showcasey and usable. The GUI reminds me of Tal and Z3ta+ with a little reminiscence of the Roland V-Synth XT hardware. I find the sound Smooth, usable and looking forward to getting into programming it. There's a a lot of choice out there today free and payable, but if you have an ilok and s spare $99 intro price, I think it's money well spent.

Oh boy, another VA synth. This time from Waves!