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BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:47 pm

I became curious and so looked up the said result in Google. The SynthEdit part is just a random reply (seemly based on nothing, but just to give a grumpy reply) in the comments.
Much fuss about nothing IMHO.

BTW, shocking to see people actually complaining about the (perceived) quality of the stuff they steal....

X2 · Post by X2 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:53 pm

have waves coded any other synth edit fx and why would waves have to use synthedit in the first place? Is it because of the synth being written in synth edit with blue prints by a 3rd party and waves have bought up the development to it or are they breaking out into new grounds, wonders never cease, I would never have thought it anyhow. Well, if waves are using synth edit then it must be as good as any other software around so that should give jeff mcklintock and crew a good publicity booster for their latest efforts. Wow, I might have to invest in synth edit after reading this and try making my own if the sounds as good as people are saying on here, Im amazed, literally amazed

@midnight · Post by **@midnight** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:02 am

How do you guys rate this with the other top tier VA synths like Diva, Lush, Synth Squad, etc... ?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:08 am

@midnight wrote:How do you guys rate this with the other top tier VA synths like Diva, Lush, Synth Squad, etc... ?

Not as high. The good thing is it uses a lot less power than those do.

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:12 am

jalcide wrote:I put together a little audio example for you guys. It's 100% Element instances (even drums).

https://soundcloud.com/jalcide/morse-on-mars-rough-idea

A rough idea preview loop of a song I'm gonna call "Morse On Mars" -- named after the Element preset of the same name.

I'll be updating it, as it progresses.

Nice work. One of the only gems to be found while picking through the pig poop that is this thread. Great sounds, and nice production. You should definitely finish the track.

And, I especially like the "whiny bitches" part in the description

sonicpowa · Post by **sonicpowa** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:25 am

X2 wrote:---

What is this talk about Synthedit and Waves, it's already an old joke..

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:28 am

BDeep wrote: BTW, shocking to see people actually complaining about the (perceived) quality of the stuff they steal....

This actually fits perfectly into the picture i have of people using warezed stuff. In another thread some guy asked why those warez users don't use the excellent freeware which is available. It is because these people are so spoiled, they don't want to use freeware, they want what "the pros are using". Actually i believe after fiddling some knobs and not succeeding to do some super duper sounds right away most will just throw away the download anyway.

So much for the "colossal loss" of sales due to warezed software. Of course this is not a general example for people using warez, but i'm pretty sure many, many cases will be like this.

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:41 am

Ingonator wrote: ...Like it so far...

hibidy wrote:...great music piece...

billcarroll wrote:Nice work. One of the only gems to be found while picking through the pig poop that is this thread. Great sounds, and nice production. You should definitely finish the track.

And, I especially like the "whiny bitches" part in the description

Thanks x 3!

Hahaha, I was hoping someone would notice that and get a chuckle.

On SE, cool as that project is, I'm sure the Waves code library is like a DSP coders paradise (and kind of hell, too, probably). They've got all the tools they need at this point. It's likely all about assembling and finessing all their product's components into a new product concept. E.g., The Element EQ section is clearly stealing from one of their analog modeled EQ products.

I wish they would give up the goods, and share more of the backstory. Missed marketing opportunity, imho.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:18 am

tried the demo. pass. too much more of the same old va. really stunned at how limited the effects were (from Waves you'd think they would expose more effect parameters).

impression was simply the sound was OK, not great. the interface was really well made easy to navigate and so on, but the sound was meh.

this is *not* the new sylenth1 that others have mentioned IMO. not even close.

best of luck to those who have pulled the trigger on this though. enjoy your new synth.

imprint · Post by **imprint** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:46 am

Okay - all the activation/download issues worked out.

The synth itself (after all of an hour) seems pretty good for what it is though I'm guessing it will be a hard sell once the price climbs back up to $200 where it faces competitors like Zebra2. At intro price from JRR Shop...well let's audition for a couple of more days.

It's functional enough but honestly not finding anything that special or unique about it. I bet these sounds will sit in a mix pretty well though...and the interface while looking a bit dated is straight forward.

Have been auditioning it with a couple of other freebies, the TAL Chorus and Waves One Knob Louder and that combo strengthens the sound immensely.

I dunno...have seven days...may as well see what shakes out with it.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:24 am

I also tried the demo and it didn't do anything for me at all...

Well OK - it made me realise just how good my other synths are...

They could give this away for free and I still wouldn't use it

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:09 am

Nice article on Element that echoes my sentiments

Does The World Need Another Subtractive Synth VI?

http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-pa ... th-vi.html

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:37 am

billcarroll wrote:Nice article on Element that echoes my sentiments

Does The World Need Another Subtractive Synth VI?

http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-pa ... th-vi.html

Sometimes things are as they seem prima facie. And Elements is exactly the case in point.

Did anyone really think that this synth does sound bad? Hardly, this being made by Waves and all... With Elements Waves did get right most important aspects of any synth like a straightforward GUI, good sound, low CPU utilization and sensible amount of features. It's a synth that is easy to work with. For that they deserve respect. So nothing wrong with Elements per se.

But this is not the iPod in an overcrowded mp3 player market. Though the 200$ price indeed makes it look like an Apple product for which you are expected to pay premium price for a thing you could easily get elsewhere with less money and that is still as good. The comparison with PPG is way off. I agree that PPG and Elements share same important basic things mentioned in previous paragraph, but the difference is - PPG is completely unique and stands alone in what it does. But Elements is just another attempt at the digital Minimoog. And I think this is why it has received a bit lukewarm response.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:17 am

@midnight wrote:How do you guys rate this with the other top tier VA synths like Diva, Lush, Synth Squad, etc... ?

Totally different IMO. Sound quality seems to be comparable but the basic sound and the features are different.
LuSH-101 besides the layers seems to be quite limited in comparison to Element.
Alone things like FM, Sine Mod (= additional Sine Osc for FM), Phase Mod, fully programmable Osc Sync, additional waveforms (e.g. Sine, Triangle), fully programmable step sequencer etc. make it stand out from e.g. LuSH-101. another plus is that you could modulate almost any knob/slider (e.g. Fm amount, envelope shape) in Element by e.g. LFO and/or envelopes.
Not to mention that the GUI of element is really usable compared to that in LuSH-101.

Also Diva while sound wise very good (but different) misses some of those features. Same for Synth Squad. Anyway as Synth Squad is 3 synths + Fusor it is difficult to compare. If you choose e.g. Cypher + Fusor it is quite close to element in terms of features.
I could be wrong but in both Cypher and Strobe i have not found Sine waveforms like in Element. Also the Phase modulation feature of Element (OSC1 modulates phase of OSC2) seems to be quite unique.

This is a quote from the manual:
"- SINE MOD controls the modulation of OSC 1 using a sine oscillator. (OSC 1 only)
- FM (Frequency Modulation) controls the amount by which the frequency of OSC 2 is modulated by OSC 1. (OSC 2 only)
- PhM (Phase Modulation) controls the amount by which the phase of OSC 2 is modulated by OSC 1. (OSC 2 only)"

I have also reprogrammed certain presets i made with Saurus and while on both synths they sound good they sound different in Element.

The conclusion is that this combination of sound, GUI and features seems to make Element stand out from those other synths. I think that Element is doing many just right. Last synth where i had the same feeling was Saurus. I don't see a problem using Element besides Saurus as both (while sharing many features) seem to sound quite different.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:25 am

billcarroll wrote:Nice article on Element that echoes my sentiments

Does The World Need Another Subtractive Synth VI?

http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-pa ... th-vi.html

This is hardly a review, more a "philosophical" discussion with a personal opinion.
You could have a look at my last post (the one before this) and you could get an idea why Element could have it's own place (or you'll not see it which is OK too...).

Anyway it looks like this Video review is from the same person.
#!

Ingo

Oh boy, another VA synth. This time from Waves!