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fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:24 am

I was always very keen of swiss army knives, and that sort of things. To me, the Surface Pro appears as a kind of computer "swiss army knife". What do you think? How do you place it towards competiton? How do you see it?

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 am

Can't justify the touch screen feature at such high price.

I think I'd better go with a laptop like a MacBook Air instead.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:46 am

george wrote:Can't justify the touch screen feature at such high price.

I think I'd better go with a laptop like a MacBook Air instead.

And the mobility, and the fact that it can also work as an editing surface with the pen, when working with an external monitor?

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:52 am

Those things won't make it, specially for iPad users.

J.C · Post by **J.C** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:05 am

No thanks.

I have to deal with Microsoft craps at work, that's enough for me...

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:39 am

george wrote:Those things won't make it, specially for iPad users.

care to elaborate why? I'm interested in understanding what makes it less appealing to that specific target.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:40 am

J.C wrote:No thanks.

I have to deal with Microsoft craps at work, that's enough for me...

Biased thinking. I'd like more specific comments, please.

hogo · Post by **hogo** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:47 am

I think it's very overpriced. The market will decide.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:59 am

Hmm... there is of course a lot overlap with laptops but this gives the features many wished to have for tablets.

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:09 pm

fmr wrote:
george wrote:Those things won't make it, specially for iPad users.
care to elaborate why? I'm interested in understanding what makes it less appealing to that specific target.

Okay.

iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now. They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini) to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.

If you are looking for raw power, any Win laptop at half cost will cover that, plus getting more battery life and expandability.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:32 pm

george wrote: iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now. They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini) to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.

If you are looking for raw power, any Win laptop at half cost will cover that, plus getting more battery life and expandability.

Regarding the first argument: yes, the iOS ecosistem is doing well, but, to my knowledge, no app can be compared with full Windows applications (os Mac OS applications, for that matter). The iPad 6 64 MB costs 709,00, while the Surface Pro will cost probably around 899,00 euros, so it's not 3x more (just around 200,00 more). The screen is full HD 1960 x 1080, which is good enough for me (I have an iPad 24" with that resolution, and I find it great - Retina Display has greater resolution though - agree on that). Half battery - still don't know. 16 GB sized Win OS - don't know what you mean.

Regarding the mention to any Win laptop, that argument may very well suit any iPad too (much more, actually). So, let's talk about what if offers (or not) in comparion to iPad.

monsterism · Post by **monsterism** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:33 pm

george wrote:
fmr wrote:
george wrote:Those things won't make it, specially for iPad users.
care to elaborate why? I'm interested in understanding what makes it less appealing to that specific target.
Okay.

iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now. They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini) to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.

If you are looking for raw power, any Win laptop at half cost will cover that, plus getting more battery life and expandability.

Umm the screen is miles better than the mini, compared to 4 it be similar as well.

This is windows if we're talking about ecosystem then the surface 8 wins hands down.You can cherry pick any apps you can run on windows on the pro without the crappy restrictions you have on ios. As for hardware everything will work , you don't need special adapters or cables for a majority of cases.

The only downer will be is battery life and portability, plus it remains untested.However, its portable enough to run ableton with a bunch if vsts and plug in maschine then its a winner in my book.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:35 pm

george wrote:iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now.

but still smaller than the Win ecosystem and 3rd party hardware for that, right?

They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps

whereas windows is stable, and has tons of existing music apps, now with touch.

and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini)

aye well, if you're going to deliberately cherry pick the cheapest iPad to compare to so the iPad looks cheaper, then yes. but the 64Gb iPad4 is 3 times the price of that too.

to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.

but to get existing software on a convenient touchscreen format. hmmm, actually maybe.

If you are looking for raw power, any Win laptop at half cost will cover that, plus getting more battery life and expandability.

i thought you wanted touch apps? make your mind up.

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:48 pm

fmr wrote:Half battery - still don't know.

Surface Pro has 5 hours battery life.

16 GB sized Win OS - don't know what you mean.

Surface Pro operating system is 16 GB big. A 32 GB models only gives you 16 GB of real size.

Regarding the mention to any Win laptop, that argument may very well suit any iPad too (much more, actually). So, let's talk about what if offers (or not) in comparion to iPad.

Surface Pro is using a laptop CPU. I think that's the biggest fail. Anyways, right now touch OS king is iOS and I think it's going to be like that for a very long long time. I have tried Windows 8 Metro / Modern UI and I don't think it's better than iOS.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:58 pm

george wrote:Surface Pro operating system is 16 GB big. A 32 GB models only gives you 16 GB of real size.

if there were 32Gb models. actually the specs released indicate there are 64Gb and 128Gb models. so 'only' 48Gb or 112Gb of real size then.

Surface Pro is using a laptop CPU. I think that's the biggest fail.

I dont. Out of the Surface RT and the Pro, I'd want the Pro because it has a laptop CPU.

Anyways, right now touch OS king is iOS and I think it's going to be like that for a very long long time.

Except for people who want Windows software with touch, of course.

I have tried Windows 8 Metro / Modern UI and I don't think it's better than iOS.

Okay. I have tried iOS and I dont think its better than Windows.

Surface Pro was presented physically at CES. Comments, anyone?