KVR Audio

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:58 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
george wrote:iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now.
but still smaller than the Win ecosystem and 3rd party hardware for that, right?

They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps
whereas windows is stable, and has tons of existing music apps, now with touch.

and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini)
aye well, if you're going to deliberately cherry pick the cheapest iPad to compare to so the iPad looks cheaper, then yes. but the 64Gb iPad4 is 3 times the price of that too.

to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.
but to get existing software on a convenient touchscreen format. hmmm, actually maybe.

If you are looking for raw power, any Win laptop at half cost will cover that, plus getting more battery life and expandability.
i thought you wanted touch apps? make your mind up.

Briefly:

Compare Metro apps to iOS apps. I think it's very clear who's the winner here.

Try to use touch with Cubase, it's simply not designed for that. Stylus maybe, but then any laptop could use pen touch on a near future. Still, I think using mouse and keyboard is much more productive.

If I want to use touch apps I just get the iPad (for now)

J.C · Post by **J.C** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:15 pm

+1

It seems that the main argument is that you can run whatever Win software on a multitouch device.

Great. But nothing new.

Multitouch displays for Windows already exists since a long time, but:
In the best case, it brings nothing and in the worst case it is almost impossible to use in a productive way.

Better stick with your mouse and keyboard if the programm was not clearly developed for a multitouch use.

Crabshack · Post by **Crabshack** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:17 pm

I guess this will be a looooong but boring thread...

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:18 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
george wrote:Surface Pro operating system is 16 GB big. A 32 GB models only gives you 16 GB of real size.
if there were 32Gb models. actually the specs released indicate there are 64Gb and 128Gb models. so 'only' 48Gb or 112Gb of real size then.

Ad to that that you may use external storage peripherals, which may greatly expand that capacity.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:30 pm

From what I just read, you can get a surface tablet with core i5 running full windows 8 pro. Lets not confuse the full OS with Metro, which is the slimmed down OS made specifically for mobile platform.

Apples to Apples comparison (haha, get it?) would be iOS vs Metro. There is no comparison. iOS is a matured platform with built in core midi and low latency audio + an App Store with hundreds of apps to choose from. Comparing to Win 8 Pro on Core i5 processors is not really the same. You can have a full blown DAW setup and use a bunch of your old plugins.

Why are we stripping this down to a basic windows vs Mac thing. We should be celebrating this accomplishment!

It is impossible to strip away the bias on some of these posts - example would be fmr who has just stated in another thread that he doesn't like apps, calls iOS devices " "i"Things " and a joke and states that anyone who is serious about professional mixing will be using a full computer, not an iThing.

iOS vs Metro tablet OS - hands down iOS clear winner until we get more apps available for Metro specific use.

Surface Pro running Wn8 Pro, well, there are just too many applications that have been around much longer than any apps.

Battery life running a maxed out Surface will be poor, but touch integration and future ports to Win8 will make this appealing to those with full PC DAW's already.

I will not jump tablet platforms yet, but that may change in the near future as the integration with touch surface becomes a standard feature.

C'mon guys, lets be open minded about apps and what u can do with them on either platform. We have capabilities on any platform, to make full songs.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:37 pm

Crabshack wrote:I guess this will be a looooong but boring thread...

Hahahahaha. I love that picture. So true.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:41 pm

How about running dual tablets connected sending MTC to each other.......

Now that would be cool (but expensive)

george · Post by **george** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:47 pm

Wormhelmet wrote:How about running dual tablets connected sending MTC to each other.......

Now that would be cool (but expensive)

Check the video below. iPad 1 + iPad 2 + some cables and hardware. I don't think a setup like that (second hand) will cost more than $600.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:07 pm

Yeah! Multiple tactile surfaces to play around on. I see tablets as being very common soon to be a part of the musicians tools.

My ipad apps have been inspiring to play.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Wormhelmet wrote:
It is impossible to strip away the bias on some of these posts - example would be fmr who has just stated in another thread that he doesn't like apps, calls iOS devices " "i"Things " and a joke and states that anyone who is serious about professional mixing will be using a full computer, not an iThing.

C'mon guys, lets be open minded about apps and what u can do with them on either platform. We have capabilities on any platform, to make full songs.

You quoted me out of contest, passing a wrong idea. I said that answering a question about if it was possible to use just iPad and iApps to create a finished music project. I answered negatively, and I confessed my feelings on the subject. If that is being biased, then I'm guilty, but I was honest by saying that loud and clear to just clarify that my opinion can be, effectively, seen as "biased".

Now I opened this thread because I am thinking in reevaluating my position if I am able to get something like the Surface Pro, which kind of gets the best of both worlds, and I want to listen to other opinions.

So, takiong your own words: "...lets be open minded..." and not start flaming each other, OK?

monsterism · Post by **monsterism** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:33 pm

surface pro and ableton push, cmon who can hate on that configuration.

If you don't download porn or pirate apps then windows is stable.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:37 pm

fmr wrote:
Wormhelmet wrote:
It is impossible to strip away the bias on some of these posts - example would be fmr who has just stated in another thread that he doesn't like apps, calls iOS devices " "i"Things " and a joke and states that anyone who is serious about professional mixing will be using a full computer, not an iThing.

C'mon guys, lets be open minded about apps and what u can do with them on either platform. We have capabilities on any platform, to make full songs.
You quoted me out of contest, passing a wrong idea. I said that answering a question about if it was possible to use just iPad and iApps to create a finished music project. I answered negatively, and I confessed my feelings on the subject. If that is being biased, then I'm guilty, but I was honest by saying that loud and clear to just clarify that my opinion can be, effectively, seen as "biased".

Now I opened this thread because I am thinking in reevaluating my position if I am able to get something like the Surface Pro, which kind of gets the best of both worlds, and I want to listen to other opinions.

So, takiong your own words: "...lets be open minded..." and not start flaming each other, OK?

No flame intended. Just facts. I can't help if you suddenly flip flopped your position on apps because Microsoft is now in the game. You started taking about biased opinions in this thread first, so I picked you because that is a pot, meet kettle situation.

I don't get that suddenly one can get serious about mixing music because Microsoft gets in the game. Look at what is already been done on iOS platform. The more that jump on the better (c'mon android!) but let's give each a fair, unbiased shake, ok?

J.C · Post by **J.C** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:37 pm

fmr wrote: I said that answering a question about if it was possible to use just iPad and iApps to create a finished music project. I answered negatively...

But you can't just say "no, it's impossible".

What kind of music genre are we talking about? Jazz, classical or minimalistic lo-fi electronica? Experimental anyone?

Depending on the genre the answer may as well be "yes, of course!"

Crabshack · Post by **Crabshack** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:39 pm

i did no research about the surfaces (cause i'm not interested to buy one)so,how about latency if you use it without an interface?And the use of pro audio interfaces?Works the same like on a"normal"desktop/notebook?

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:39 pm

And so it is not out of context or just taking a snippet, here is your post:

"Aboyes wrote:
I like this,, I have to agree regarding losing focus in a full on DAW

http://iosmusicandyou.com/2013/01/09/de ... s-ios-wher e-is-the-best-place-to-write-your-music/?utm_source=pulsenew s&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+iosmusicandyou+%2 8iOS+Music+And+You%29

What do you guys think?

fmr wrote:
I'm not a fan of "apps", and I find all this hype on "i"Things a joke. I would say that someone serious about what he/she wants to do will need a full computer, and a full DAW.

The argument that one may feel "overwhelming" is a joke in itself. If people know what to do, how to do it and what they want to do, they cannot feel overwhelm, no matter what they use.

However, a sheet of paper and a pencil may be enough - and they come almost for free
----
Fernando (FMR)"

I was going to respond in that thread to this mentality on who is a serious musician with an app or not, but let it pass. This time I felt like pointing it out that clearly there are those biased against platform or apps in general for a means to make professional sounding music.

Surface Pro was presented physically at CES. Comments, anyone?