New TB plugin: TB-FIX(flex) Dynamic EQ
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- KVRian
- 605 posts since 31 Aug, 2012
Very nice company is TB.Just got the Barricade and for this money this thing is amazing , actually i prefer it then many more expensive plugins (is it very quality )maybe not just me thinks that . Pretty sure he nailed this one.And ye the price is one Norway beer .Respect
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- KVRAF
- 3630 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
Wow...Beer is expensive in Norwaylacandon wrote:Very nice company is TB.Just got the Barricade and for this money this thing is amazing , actually i prefer it then many more expensive plugins (is it very quality )maybe not just me thinks that . Pretty sure he nailed this one.And ye the price is one Norway beer .Respect
I don't drink alcohol,so I just got my Fix with the new TB plugin
No auto tune...
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- KVRian
- 622 posts since 14 Jun, 2006 from Finland
Does anyone have good tips how to use dynamic eq's?
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Theo,
It did, in the first version but Alexey added a whole bunch of new modes to it right at the first update if I recall correctly. I had trouble getting it to attenuate the higher the input signal.. it did the exact opposite at first but then some new modes were added.
It's still not ideal for precise control of what you wan't EQ'd or how you want the dynamics to work but it does work as a broad strokes thing.
For ultimate control nothing beats the Meldaproductions Dynamic EQ.. except perhaps now this one from Jeroen, though I suspect it's way simpler than the meldaproductions one.
Cheers!
bManic
It did, in the first version but Alexey added a whole bunch of new modes to it right at the first update if I recall correctly. I had trouble getting it to attenuate the higher the input signal.. it did the exact opposite at first but then some new modes were added.
It's still not ideal for precise control of what you wan't EQ'd or how you want the dynamics to work but it does work as a broad strokes thing.
For ultimate control nothing beats the Meldaproductions Dynamic EQ.. except perhaps now this one from Jeroen, though I suspect it's way simpler than the meldaproductions one.
Cheers!
bManic
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
Yes - I can't wait to try this one out! Will put it up against my Melda Dynamic EQ (very good) and Soniformer (which seems Dynamic Eq-ish to me).
Usually I seem to use GlissEQ as a straight EQ even though it has dynamic EQ controls.
I seem to use these tools to surgically tame a resonance and really just dynamically limit/compress a narrow range.
I'd have to throw C6 and CQ1 in the test also I guess, a couple more 'band-limited' (as opposed to multi-band crossover type) dynamic EQ type tools. The more tools the better!
EDIT: OK I misunderstood - the web page says available soon however the flx.dll is in the latest update - trying it out now!
Usually I seem to use GlissEQ as a straight EQ even though it has dynamic EQ controls.
I seem to use these tools to surgically tame a resonance and really just dynamically limit/compress a narrow range.
I'd have to throw C6 and CQ1 in the test also I guess, a couple more 'band-limited' (as opposed to multi-band crossover type) dynamic EQ type tools. The more tools the better!
EDIT: OK I misunderstood - the web page says available soon however the flx.dll is in the latest update - trying it out now!
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
Nice call! It does for me - back to having my own personal transfer curve in the UI. Been playing with FlX for about 10 min and decided to purchase. Lots of control going on here - I like the smooth bass sound I'm getting on the full mix I have in Reaper. Individual stereo width on each band is pretty cool too.AKJ wrote:does this replace the JB Smash Pro?
Would like to know more about the guts of the thing but - who cares I guess. Maybe I'll plop it into VST Analyzer sometime just to see if its linear phase EQ and crossovers (?) or not. Does it have crossovers? Also wondering if it's using FFT for the audio, it sounds pretty clean but I don't know how to tell - I was thinking about DSM maybe no need to worry about that anymore.
Very nice Toneboosters - now to really give it a go...
EDIT: A+ for the zoom controls, essential especially on the transfer curve.
Too bad the input gain isn't somewhere visible when the Compressor Editor is showing, that would make it easier to see how the detetor is reacting to a particular curve visually - yes of course, after learning the behavior of certain curve shapes I would listen to the audio.
Also, Negative ratios ++
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 4867 posts since 18 Dec, 2000
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Nope, never really gave the hofa a chance. I did try the bx one but I'm 100% satisfied with the melda one so I never gave anything else a go.TheoM wrote: Did you try the hofa? i personally think it's very good. Did you try bx dynamic eq? and lastly, the sonalksis never get mentioned for some reason. They make *total* sense to me in the way their dynamics function, and they are light on cpu, sound great and have no latency.
I did demo the sonalksis multiband duo a lot way back during their release but never found them intuitive enough to actually purchase.
And now having tried the Toneboosters Fix one I have to say it's an absolute nightmare to use. It's about as intuitive to use as an early linux distro.
Unfortunately this is a complete no-go for me. It requires WAY too many tweaks to get even the simplest of things done. I very much suggest Jeroen takes a look at how the melda productions dynamic EQ has a very quick workflow with it's 3 handles.
The TB Fix is simply a nightmare to even get a single band working as it doesn't behave at all like an ordinary EQ (contrary to what the website says about it). Right from the get-go.. if you grab the number 3 ball and drag it up or down, it simply boosts/cuts the whole spectrum.. working as a normal volume control. You first need to enable bands 2 and 4.. then set them to create a "boundary".. try doing this without accidentally moving them up or down, then finally you have your frequency range. Now what if you want to move it around to see how it works elsewhere? You do it ALL OVER AGAIN!
Pure madness. To be honest, I'm not sure what Jeroen was thinking with this user interface.
Sorry man.. it's horrendous. An absolute nightmare to use.
Here are my number 1 uses for a dynamic EQ:
1) Taming particular ringing frequencies where an ordinary EQ takes too much away from lower level hits. Great example, a snare drum which rings too much when it's struck at certain volume levels.
In the melda productions dynamic EQ this is how I do it. Find the offending frequency, set the Q/bandwith of the parametric EQ to taste, drag the center handle down to the desired gain reduction maximum. Done. Probably takes less than 5 seconds to do.
Want to fine-tune the setup? Simply open up the EQ band's own editor. Set threshold, attack / release times.. done. Want to get even more indepth? Adjust the transfer function and triggering mechanics (want to use a sidechain? no problem).
2) Boosting broad EQ ranges at low volumes while taming/compressing them at higher volumes. Typical targets: Synth pads, guitars, pianos.. anything that needs to be a "filler" behind the track.
In the melda dyn EQ you do the following: Set the parametric band to where you want the center of the boost to happen.. now boost the band, say 3dB.. then simply drag the middle handle to set the amount of dynamic gain reduction at loud passages. All done again in a matter of seconds.
The opposite can also be done very quickly, simply by inverting or messing around with the transfer function. It's a good idea to create some common transfer functions, especially the inversions, and save them. Then you can very quickly create extremely complex scenarios within a few mouse clicks.
Anyhow.. enough of that. Bottom line is: the melda productiosn Dynamic EQ is almost perfect. Almost.. it only needs a look-a-head function per band, then it'd be THE most perfect dynamic EQ tool ever.
Cheers!
bManic
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Argh! The SOUND QUALITY and possibilities with Fix are awesome but the interface makes me want to commit murder!
Please Jeroen, here are just a few pointers:
1) There should be a way to absolutely guarantee a node's position at zero dB. A simple alt+click on a node or something should snap it right back to zero.
2) In the transfer function part there should, nay, MUST be a way to keep the nodes on the center diagonal axis. It is so friggin easy to get expansion when you don't want it or compression when you don't want it. You MUST introduce some kind of snap-to-grid controls for this part of the editor to be at all useful.
You can literally destroy any kind of audio within a fraction of a second because of a tiny mistaken move of a single node in the transfer function.
This is a dangerous tool and needs a lot of framework to guide the user. Everything should be able to snap to neutral values, aka zero dB on the EQ graph and the diagonal axis on the transfer function. Then there should be modifier keys or something to prevent the user from creating expansion or compression by mistake. A way to force movement on either side of the diagonal in only one direction.
Because there is a zooming possibility then at least create a proper diagonal axis reference line. Something we can follow that leads to 1:1 input/output.
Finally, perhaps make the plugin at least double the size of what it is now. These kind of tools benefit nothing from being so tiny. It just frustrates the user all the more.
Anyhow, excellent sounding plugin in an unfortunate package. I'm sure this can become a true classic if it gets some more attention to the way it operates and the interface in general.
EDIT: Some kind of multiplier for the output of the dynamics section would also be most useful.. what if you get too much compression or not enough but the curve that you've created is just what you want? Tough luck.. start dragging all the handles again. A simple multiplier would solve this nicely. Want less compression? Set the multiplier to less than 1.0. Want more? Set it to more than 1.0.
Cheers!
bManic
Please Jeroen, here are just a few pointers:
1) There should be a way to absolutely guarantee a node's position at zero dB. A simple alt+click on a node or something should snap it right back to zero.
2) In the transfer function part there should, nay, MUST be a way to keep the nodes on the center diagonal axis. It is so friggin easy to get expansion when you don't want it or compression when you don't want it. You MUST introduce some kind of snap-to-grid controls for this part of the editor to be at all useful.
You can literally destroy any kind of audio within a fraction of a second because of a tiny mistaken move of a single node in the transfer function.
This is a dangerous tool and needs a lot of framework to guide the user. Everything should be able to snap to neutral values, aka zero dB on the EQ graph and the diagonal axis on the transfer function. Then there should be modifier keys or something to prevent the user from creating expansion or compression by mistake. A way to force movement on either side of the diagonal in only one direction.
Because there is a zooming possibility then at least create a proper diagonal axis reference line. Something we can follow that leads to 1:1 input/output.
Finally, perhaps make the plugin at least double the size of what it is now. These kind of tools benefit nothing from being so tiny. It just frustrates the user all the more.
Anyhow, excellent sounding plugin in an unfortunate package. I'm sure this can become a true classic if it gets some more attention to the way it operates and the interface in general.
EDIT: Some kind of multiplier for the output of the dynamics section would also be most useful.. what if you get too much compression or not enough but the curve that you've created is just what you want? Tough luck.. start dragging all the handles again. A simple multiplier would solve this nicely. Want less compression? Set the multiplier to less than 1.0. Want more? Set it to more than 1.0.
Cheers!
bManic
"Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the idiot who said it." -an idiot
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
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- KVRist
- 285 posts since 14 Sep, 2006
Too much flexibility I guessbmanic wrote:Argh! The SOUND QUALITY and possibilities with Fix are awesome but the interface makes me want to commit murder!
Thanks for the comments and suggestions. It's a first release of a bit of an experimental GUI, so some work to do...!
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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