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geeseaplenty · Post by **geeseaplenty** » Fri May 07, 2004 8:51 pm

Having purchased Drumkit from Hell, I was dismayed with the mapping. I then discovered Multree's GM kit and loaded it into a song that had ns7 kit drums. I thought it would be better, but it wasn't. For one, I hated the "clicky" bass drum of DFH. It lacked the finesse of the 16 velocity level bass drum of the ns7 kit. And, even after tweaking the velocity levels and the snare samples, the snare rolls had a "machine gun" effect.

DFH's toms were the only winner--and only by virtue of number (ns7 only has three toms).

I find DFH's clicky bass drum the most annoying. Even DFH 2 and Superior has this characteristic sound, which seems to limit one's musical palette to Godsmack/Dream Theater/Meshuggah-styled angro-rock. I wish Toontrack the best with these new DFH products, but I also wish they'd take a hint from BFD and the ns7 free kit and get past the clicky bass drum sound.

Is it me, or does anyone else use the ns7 kit more than the ones they paid for?

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat May 08, 2004 12:11 am

(I've not bought _any_ samples...)

NS Kit has finesse (?sp) but sometimes I can't be bothered with effects to make it big and RealFont_2_1's accoustic kit or Maestro Rock Kit just get me what I'm after quicker.

I must play with sfz format and the NS Kit WAVs... Detuning the toms feels like sacrilege, though...

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Sat May 08, 2004 1:25 am

I have DFH and used it with limited success. I found I have to carefully tweak the sounds, especially kick drum - compression , eq etc.

Recently I tried NSkit7 free. It's absolutely lovely - fits beautifully in all mixes I've tried it in. The velocity layers sound very natural, the stereo aspect creates a lively feel. The kick and snare are spot on. Love the snare. Love the cymbals, love the rides, blah blah. In short, brilliant.

GrooveMonkee · Post by **GrooveMonkee** » Sat May 08, 2004 1:33 am

I bought DFH 1 and didn't care for it either (esp for $100). NSKit is one hell of a kit and it's free. But nothing compares to BFD...

bnmoore · Post by **bnmoore** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:03 am

I have DFH 1 and the add-on pack mapped the way I want it in DR-008. I destructively pitch shifted some of the samples using scripts and batch processing in Adobe Audition before I built my kits. I don't use them very often.

Although I feel that ns_kit7 sounds better than ns_kit6 it still sounds completely dickless to me but maybe sometimes that's what you need.

I recently bought all of the Wizoo Acoustic Individual Drums in Battery format or EXS24 where Battery was unavailable. With a little editing and remapping I saved them in .dr8 format still as individuals. If something's not quite right I can clear pads and merge different kit elements. I have a lot of other kicks, snares, tom sets, and cymbals mapped as .dr8 settings only files.

You don't have to be locked into any one thing. Merge is your friend.

grandaddy · Post by **grandaddy** » Sat May 08, 2004 5:22 am

Ns kt 7 is great - but I'm not a huge fan of ufip cymbals, thats just personal of course.

Clicky bass drum on dfh superior? I disagree completely. You do get a choice of felt,plastic or wooden beaters which can change the sound, but hey don't have that clicky eq'd quality of the first dfh,

Personally I didn't like the sound of dfh1 - too metal. DFHS is a different beast altogether, great sounding and massively versatile.

A non-metal song recorded with dfhs...

http://mule.my-bulldog.com/pages/mule_m ... ace-03.mp3

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Sat May 08, 2004 6:05 am

How about something different? Here is our drum kit library we are working on. Both of the above mentioned libraries are great but ours goes into a different direction as far as mic'ing, playability, and selection of instruments.

The DS Soundware Ultimate Drum Kits has four mic positions and TONS of instrument selections. Here is a demo we did awhile back. It also uses our Marimba, Vibes, and some percussion toys.

http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/Corea.mp3

AND

http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/DS_KIT_TEST.mp3 (believe it or not this one was done by Sean Lane in Finale!!!)

Donnie

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat May 08, 2004 6:13 am

i love the word "quibble"

thanks for using it in a thread title

Project · Post by **Project** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:55 am

I badly need some good brush samples, with a lot of hits on the snare, so it seems that this soundware library can be good for this. Can you tell us more details on it Donnie? (how many brush samples, price, etc)

TIA

Project

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Sat May 08, 2004 7:46 pm

There are brush, stick, and blastic samples for every drum and cymbal in the library. I can't imagine there being anything more extensive...

Donnie

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat May 08, 2004 7:57 pm

Hi

It would almost be worth buying a snare and sampling the bugger.

This is something I can see myself doing anyway - for D&B type flams rolls and hits.

Very few samples I have heard have 'DRIVE' - by that I mean thet tend to be sampled in isolation, which is fine, but surely if you are to use the sample on a slow BPM tune you will need something different for a tune at 180BPM?

Sampling whilst playing to a specific BPM will bring out (or supress) certain characteristics that a lot of samples don't give - timbe, harshness and duration of hit.

An old ex drummers opinion!

Flipper.

geeseaplenty · Post by **geeseaplenty** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:26 pm

It would almost be worth buying a snare and sampling the bugger.

This is a great idea. I'm going over to a friend's studio to sample some hi hats, as I think I can do a better job than the ns7 kit. The hi hats in that kit lack the tightly closed "chick" sound. And the open hats can be far more expressive.

Any advice?

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:56 pm

It's also a matter of taste. e.g. after a while I discovered that I didn't like the sound of the dfh snares.

Absolute unbeatable for the "price" is the ns kit7. It can compete with commercial kits.

Recently I tried "artist drums" and I must say I was very impressed. Especially from the kit of Simon Phillips.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:05 pm

Just to quibble about something - NSkit is free to download but it is NOT royalty free. The licence says you are not allowed to use it in your composition without asking

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:30 pm

Hi

'Sepheritoh'- Nice TREES in the yard.

Flipper.

Let's Quibble About Drum Sounds (ns7 kit vs. DFH 1&2)