Pro Tools 10 is amazing
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- KVRian
- 928 posts since 3 Sep, 2011
I think a major reason why PT is seen as ubiquitous is best explained by a vicious circle.
Many "professionals" have been using it for years, and they refuse to switch, and hence it continues to maintain its position as the "industry standard". Avid markets the "industry standard" aspect, and so it continues. I know at least four people who chose Pro Tools in their project studios, even though they did not want to, because they wanted to stay compatible with the larger studios in Bombay, India (home to the bollywood film industry).
Part of it is justified too, as at the higher end we have HD and no real competition for it. But for the non-HD version, it really is beyond me why it continues to stay popular, when there are several DAWs now that surpass it in utility, functionality and better pricing. Not to mention, that stupid ilok. That's just my humble opinion, and to each his own.
Many "professionals" have been using it for years, and they refuse to switch, and hence it continues to maintain its position as the "industry standard". Avid markets the "industry standard" aspect, and so it continues. I know at least four people who chose Pro Tools in their project studios, even though they did not want to, because they wanted to stay compatible with the larger studios in Bombay, India (home to the bollywood film industry).
Part of it is justified too, as at the higher end we have HD and no real competition for it. But for the non-HD version, it really is beyond me why it continues to stay popular, when there are several DAWs now that surpass it in utility, functionality and better pricing. Not to mention, that stupid ilok. That's just my humble opinion, and to each his own.
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- KVRist
- 349 posts since 5 Nov, 2012
Any product that requires FINANCING to be bought and maintained will ALWAYS be seen as the professional solution by those in the industry that have a VESTED interest for it to be that way.
No studio is gonna promote the fact that it spent $60 bucks on a Reaper license as a way to entice paying customers.
End of story.
No studio is gonna promote the fact that it spent $60 bucks on a Reaper license as a way to entice paying customers.
End of story.
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- KVRAF
- 2604 posts since 15 Jun, 2006
Isn't the HD hardware, a big reason why the pros use pro tools?
One top notch rock artist producer, who used to be an analog only
guy, is now using protools. He said the new HD hardware sounds very close to analog.
Why are so many pros using it if it's unstable?
One top notch rock artist producer, who used to be an analog only
guy, is now using protools. He said the new HD hardware sounds very close to analog.
Why are so many pros using it if it's unstable?
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
Come on guys.OzWozEre wrote:Any product that requires FINANCING to be bought and maintained will ALWAYS be seen as the professional solution by those in the industry that have a VESTED interest for it to be that way.
No studio is gonna promote the fact that it spent $60 bucks on a Reaper license as a way to entice paying customers.
End of story.
If you put together a studio with all of the hardware of a fully blown PTHD rig you too will be spending some money. Comparing the price of Reaper to the price of HD is nuts, unless Reaper comes with DSP and I/O and a digital console, which is what HD is.
You can't compare the price of that to a Reaper rig with a two input USB device.
It's all so... wacky... the PT hate.
Lots (as in a heck of a lot) of non PTHD owners spend just as much on their rigs, like I did when I paid $10k for a new d8b some years ago instead of buying HD.
Somebody must be buying those expensive Yahaha digital consoles because they keep making them. I assume a lot of them are financed, being used with Reaper or PT native or Nuendo or whatever.
PTHD is, at it's root, a modular digital console.
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- KVRist
- 494 posts since 11 May, 2009
Outrageous prediction: Avid will bleed the remaining professional audio studios dry, financially, until there are so few left, it won't be significant. Meanwhile, producers locked into Pro Tools will wonder why they can't do the things that younger producers are doing with other, more fully featured DAWs and miss that boat entirely.
Nobody insists on using a Fairlight sampling machine anymore, even though it was once the "industry standard" and all the pro studios had them. Look at Kontakt.
Nobody insists on using a Fairlight sampling machine anymore, even though it was once the "industry standard" and all the pro studios had them. Look at Kontakt.
My music is a fusion of jazz and funk. It's called "Junk"
- Beware the Quoth
- 35433 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
you mean the ones who used to use stupidly f**king expensive 24-track and 32-track tape machines and still run 100K worth of SSL desk?tropicalontour wrote:Outrageous prediction: Avid will bleed the remaining professional audio studios dry, financially, until there are so few left, it won't be significant.
hmmm.
makes sense.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 591 posts since 10 Nov, 2005 from New York City
We at KVR have a limited insight into the entire audio world. Yes, for recording a band or making your own tunes, there are lots of alternatives to PT (you can argue whether or not they are necessarily better than PT). However, when it comes to recording 70-piece orchestras for a film score, doing post-production, broadcast work, etc., nothing is competing with PT. PT HD delivers extreme stability, unique functionality, and superior workflow in those very intense (and expensive) sessions that others cannot match (nor do they try to).
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Guys like CLA don't have those studios with all that gear and then "here, let me show you my reaper rig".......it's PT rig 
In fact, PT has been a terrific product for a long time. Yeah, avid kinda sucks and it's taking forever to get modernized (x64 for example) but in terms of what it does, it's pretty hard to beat.
In fact, PT has been a terrific product for a long time. Yeah, avid kinda sucks and it's taking forever to get modernized (x64 for example) but in terms of what it does, it's pretty hard to beat.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 18 Oct, 2004
I'm just glad I am not a professional in any way shape or form, and thus am not shackled to Pro Tools in any way. If ya like it though, god bless.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 18 Oct, 2004
What can Pro Tools do in the realm of 70-piece orchestras, film scoring, post-production, or broadcast work that other DAWs can't? Be specific.5Lives wrote:We at KVR have a limited insight into the entire audio world. Yes, for recording a band or making your own tunes, there are lots of alternatives to PT (you can argue whether or not they are necessarily better than PT). However, when it comes to recording 70-piece orchestras for a film score, doing post-production, broadcast work, etc., nothing is competing with PT. PT HD delivers extreme stability, unique functionality, and superior workflow in those very intense (and expensive) sessions that others cannot match (nor do they try to).
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- KVRian
- 1302 posts since 9 Oct, 2003 from California
Edit and mix sound for larger, more complex video productions, displaying up to 64 video tracks in the timeline with multiple video playlists and basic video editing tools.
Share audio mixes with Media Composer editors (and vice versa) through AAF.
Integrate directly into the Media Composer workflow with the Video Satellite option, eliminating the need to render effects, transcode video, or copy files.
Using Video Satellite on Media Composer system, Pro Tools editors can achieve full integration into the Avid video workflow. Access and stream video from ISIS shared storage, and manage projects and assets through the Avid Interplay asset management system
multi-master capabilities to control up to twelve Pro Tools|HD systems at once, using a single transport Satellite Link enables all synced systems to work together as a single mixer.
Up to 768 tracks, 192 i/o channels with 0.7ms of latency and adding up to 18 350mhz processors to your base computer processing power.
Makes cool beatz
Dan
(But don't tell those knucklehead news production and post people about the above. They think they are using it because it was out first and Avid is a good marketer.)
Share audio mixes with Media Composer editors (and vice versa) through AAF.
Integrate directly into the Media Composer workflow with the Video Satellite option, eliminating the need to render effects, transcode video, or copy files.
Using Video Satellite on Media Composer system, Pro Tools editors can achieve full integration into the Avid video workflow. Access and stream video from ISIS shared storage, and manage projects and assets through the Avid Interplay asset management system
multi-master capabilities to control up to twelve Pro Tools|HD systems at once, using a single transport Satellite Link enables all synced systems to work together as a single mixer.
Up to 768 tracks, 192 i/o channels with 0.7ms of latency and adding up to 18 350mhz processors to your base computer processing power.
Makes cool beatz
Dan
(But don't tell those knucklehead news production and post people about the above. They think they are using it because it was out first and Avid is a good marketer.)
Those that can, do. Those that can't, argue about it on k-v-r
- KVRAF
- 12185 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
Gotta love KVR, where asking "which DAW is the best" is considered the stupidest question ever, but mention that you like Pro Tools and all hell breaks loose. 
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