Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll recommend Sonar as an alternative DAW. I really like what they've been doing in recent years, and I've been very happy with it. (Edit: Actually, I see now that it was mentioned!)
But I would also recommend checking out Reaper, just because its cheap and you have nothing to lose by downloading it.
I have up on the cult of Mac way back in the PowerPC days. We continue to use Macs for video editing at my job, but we're going to be transitioning to PCs and Adobe's cloud editing solution this year. I've been building my own PCs for many years now. Its easy to do, easy to upgrade, and costs way less.
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Heeeeyyyy Aaaaappple!hibidy wrote:haha!
Well, some of the episodes are kinda funny and very clever (like the "wassuuuupppp" ) one. But yeah, after a while, it's just annoying. Wow, they rode the gravy train as mentioned though! Now, who does THAT remind me of......(strokes beard........)
(OMG, can't believe I fell for that)
perception: the stuff reality is made of.
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Heeeeeeey Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiibidy...
check your PM inbox.
check your PM inbox.
perception: the stuff reality is made of.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
No, I'm sorry to report as one forum member so quickly concluded, the OP's experience does not even remotely qualify as a case of "tough luck."
There are some very dirty little secrets that anyone in any way involved with Apple computers should know and keep in the forefront. First and most laughable is the tired phrase the Apple cultists always use when they come upon any PC user experiencing performance issues. Their common quip, "Get a MAC" is extremely misleading and makes an assumption that is NOT borne out by the facts. As anyone who is in the IT and computer repair business will tell you plainly, if they are honest about it, Apple computers break down and require repairs and maintenance every bit as much as a Windows PC will.
That's Dirty Little Secret #1, but the next is a bigger deception: When needing repairs and/or maintenance Apple computers quickly outstrip the Windows PC, costing more in labour and far, far more in cost of parts. Apple has tried to keep these statistics under wraps for many years and worked very hard to do so during their several horrible periods of foolish and improperly carried out changes to their operating systems. Clearly, any long-term Windows user will name a Windows version that was less well liked. In Apple's history, however, various attempts at major system changes quite nearly spelled DOOM for the computer. In Windows, a particular system might draw criticism and become the butt end of joking, but always did Microsoft's systems continue relatively smoothly until the next. In Apple's case, for example, their devs in one situation had to run blindly and unprepared to a UNIX underpinning, signifying the soon death of the original MAC simply to survive.
They don't like to discuss these near-death experiences, but all of it is easily Googled and affirmed. Further, the reason that Apple servicing cost an arm and a leg beyong the labour (and still very much does!), is because Apple charges some three times for the analogous similar part on Windows machines. Yes, even though virtually all of an Apple is made with vastly lower labour rates overseas, the parts are marked up incredibly higher than anyone else's concept of good business ethics. This is still true years later today.
I'll pass on items easily discovered for yourselves, but most of the computer experts will agree that the reason Apple has never climbed much above an often shaky 10% of the regular computer market share has a lot less to do with Apple's price tags of two and three thousand dollars for a machine that has no higher quality parts than the Windows PC costing regularly one half to one third of Apple's price for almost the same machine.
To top this irrational Apple customer behavior off, we saw the entrance of what is still commonly referred to as The Apple Cult. With this social phenomenon came an end to almost any logical and educated debates over quality and comparison between the two brands. To even question Apple or what most believed and many still do insist that Apple's pricing and quality boasts have no basis in rational and intelligent thought. To even question any aspect of Apple's world or products quickly became a near equivalent to shouting the "N" word in an A.M.E. church.
Sadly, and aside from shunting all discussion and investigation into anything involving quality, cost, and performance, it left Apple customers without any sort of fully trustworthy and impartial advocate.
Last here, it should be noted that Apple's goal is not simply to sell its customers a sturdy and safe product and send them on their way to enjoy years of happy and rewarding use. The real goal at Apple was to part its customers with every cent of disposable income and then create insecurity, forcing customers to repeat this model of behavior as often as could be humanly possible.
I will leave to choice over whether to lead a relatively normal life with a well-made Windows PC, or a life of insufficient funds and almost constant need to be ready at a moment's notice to pull every cent out of the bank account and be prepared for sacrifice in order to buy the next Apple, and preferably right after midnight on its first release day to the readers of this thread.
me
Cheers! and Happy Computing. . . .
There are some very dirty little secrets that anyone in any way involved with Apple computers should know and keep in the forefront. First and most laughable is the tired phrase the Apple cultists always use when they come upon any PC user experiencing performance issues. Their common quip, "Get a MAC" is extremely misleading and makes an assumption that is NOT borne out by the facts. As anyone who is in the IT and computer repair business will tell you plainly, if they are honest about it, Apple computers break down and require repairs and maintenance every bit as much as a Windows PC will.
That's Dirty Little Secret #1, but the next is a bigger deception: When needing repairs and/or maintenance Apple computers quickly outstrip the Windows PC, costing more in labour and far, far more in cost of parts. Apple has tried to keep these statistics under wraps for many years and worked very hard to do so during their several horrible periods of foolish and improperly carried out changes to their operating systems. Clearly, any long-term Windows user will name a Windows version that was less well liked. In Apple's history, however, various attempts at major system changes quite nearly spelled DOOM for the computer. In Windows, a particular system might draw criticism and become the butt end of joking, but always did Microsoft's systems continue relatively smoothly until the next. In Apple's case, for example, their devs in one situation had to run blindly and unprepared to a UNIX underpinning, signifying the soon death of the original MAC simply to survive.
They don't like to discuss these near-death experiences, but all of it is easily Googled and affirmed. Further, the reason that Apple servicing cost an arm and a leg beyong the labour (and still very much does!), is because Apple charges some three times for the analogous similar part on Windows machines. Yes, even though virtually all of an Apple is made with vastly lower labour rates overseas, the parts are marked up incredibly higher than anyone else's concept of good business ethics. This is still true years later today.
I'll pass on items easily discovered for yourselves, but most of the computer experts will agree that the reason Apple has never climbed much above an often shaky 10% of the regular computer market share has a lot less to do with Apple's price tags of two and three thousand dollars for a machine that has no higher quality parts than the Windows PC costing regularly one half to one third of Apple's price for almost the same machine.
To top this irrational Apple customer behavior off, we saw the entrance of what is still commonly referred to as The Apple Cult. With this social phenomenon came an end to almost any logical and educated debates over quality and comparison between the two brands. To even question Apple or what most believed and many still do insist that Apple's pricing and quality boasts have no basis in rational and intelligent thought. To even question any aspect of Apple's world or products quickly became a near equivalent to shouting the "N" word in an A.M.E. church.
Sadly, and aside from shunting all discussion and investigation into anything involving quality, cost, and performance, it left Apple customers without any sort of fully trustworthy and impartial advocate.
Last here, it should be noted that Apple's goal is not simply to sell its customers a sturdy and safe product and send them on their way to enjoy years of happy and rewarding use. The real goal at Apple was to part its customers with every cent of disposable income and then create insecurity, forcing customers to repeat this model of behavior as often as could be humanly possible.
I will leave to choice over whether to lead a relatively normal life with a well-made Windows PC, or a life of insufficient funds and almost constant need to be ready at a moment's notice to pull every cent out of the bank account and be prepared for sacrifice in order to buy the next Apple, and preferably right after midnight on its first release day to the readers of this thread.
me
Cheers! and Happy Computing. . . .
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- KVRAF
- 24411 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Don't get Windows 8.
Get W7 and Reaper. Congrats from breaking free from that Apple pest!
Get W7 and Reaper. Congrats from breaking free from that Apple pest!
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- KVRAF
- 6372 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
How is this misleading? Don't they want you to get a Mac? Is it because they don't have a Mac themselves but want to fool other people into getting a Mac? Do they mean get a BIg Mac? Or maybe the hardware address for your network card? Why do you care when you clearly don't want one or may you're a bit Mac-curious but don't want people to know?The Telenator wrote:Their common quip, "Get a MAC" is extremely misleading and makes an assumption that is NOT borne out by the facts.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
Oh . . . greetings, EvilDragon! How's things been?
And so you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Yes, hook up with Reaper and customise a bit to have it exactly the way you want it (very easy, no worries!), and get comfortable -- and to a new, higher productivity of work. Reaper brings out the best in my music that a couple of others left cold. I have a fresh spare disk of my favourite Win7. I will say though that Win8 is nowhere near the horrorshow that some few have suggested. I've tried it, and if you can get over that ugly Metro theming of tiles, or even better get and use the freeware Classic Shell that I have already begun using on 7 to improve my Explorer files browser and add and improve the normal Start Menu, you have no issues for concern.
In fact, after many bench tests and comparisons, most report Win 8 has up to 10% lower CPU cost when firing up something such as a DAW like Reaper. Further, a couple of small audio operations were tweaked and improved over Win 7. Still, I like what I have learned best over a zillion DAW and music research hours, so I plan to remain -- at least for the foreseeable future on 7. And you know how I love my smoked AeroGlass, an acceptable 3% CPU fee to pay and worth it to my inspiration!
And so you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Yes, hook up with Reaper and customise a bit to have it exactly the way you want it (very easy, no worries!), and get comfortable -- and to a new, higher productivity of work. Reaper brings out the best in my music that a couple of others left cold. I have a fresh spare disk of my favourite Win7. I will say though that Win8 is nowhere near the horrorshow that some few have suggested. I've tried it, and if you can get over that ugly Metro theming of tiles, or even better get and use the freeware Classic Shell that I have already begun using on 7 to improve my Explorer files browser and add and improve the normal Start Menu, you have no issues for concern.
In fact, after many bench tests and comparisons, most report Win 8 has up to 10% lower CPU cost when firing up something such as a DAW like Reaper. Further, a couple of small audio operations were tweaked and improved over Win 7. Still, I like what I have learned best over a zillion DAW and music research hours, so I plan to remain -- at least for the foreseeable future on 7. And you know how I love my smoked AeroGlass, an acceptable 3% CPU fee to pay and worth it to my inspiration!
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- KVRAF
- 4468 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
Telenator, i'd disagree with you on a couple of points. Yes, Mac is just a PC with a higher price tag. However, thing is, buying a good branded PC would likely cost you just as much as a Mac. Of course, you can always make your own PC etc. but that's not the point. The point of "Mac is better" not because it is better, but because Macs contain a well-known list of hardware that Apple engineers test to work with each other, and hence it works better, whereas with PC you can pretty much cobble up a frankenmachine and it will, for the most part, work, but sometimes can have some issues because of individual hardware incompatibilities.
And for the record - i'm not a fanboy, and i don't have a single iDevice at my household, i've had Windows 7 since the day it was released (and love it), and two Android phones.
And for the record - i'm not a fanboy, and i don't have a single iDevice at my household, i've had Windows 7 since the day it was released (and love it), and two Android phones.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
Gamma-UT:
The usual snidely spoken "Get a MAC" remark is meant to suggest that the PC user would never an issue encounter if only that person had purchased a MAC instead. Don't you play dumb with me. I'll be quite frank in laying out for you how I completely despise that whole arrogant Apple attitude. And it is indeed a "remark" and rarely if ever meant as kindly encouragement. It never comes from a non-MAC user, BTW. Pretending you've never heard it said before? Go play dumb with one of the brain dead on this forum. I'm not buying your appeal today.
Oh, and I care because I despise cads and arrogant jerks. Gee, this is plainly such a warm and welcoming forum full of lies and deception. Who exactly do you people think you are fooling?
The usual snidely spoken "Get a MAC" remark is meant to suggest that the PC user would never an issue encounter if only that person had purchased a MAC instead. Don't you play dumb with me. I'll be quite frank in laying out for you how I completely despise that whole arrogant Apple attitude. And it is indeed a "remark" and rarely if ever meant as kindly encouragement. It never comes from a non-MAC user, BTW. Pretending you've never heard it said before? Go play dumb with one of the brain dead on this forum. I'm not buying your appeal today.
Oh, and I care because I despise cads and arrogant jerks. Gee, this is plainly such a warm and welcoming forum full of lies and deception. Who exactly do you people think you are fooling?
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
Burillo:
I could build you a PC with the world's finest components that would seriously kick a top MacPro's butt for one half or less the price. Try Google, PC, tech and nerds forums, etc. Do your own research on this, as I already know the details. The research will do you good.
I could build you a PC with the world's finest components that would seriously kick a top MacPro's butt for one half or less the price. Try Google, PC, tech and nerds forums, etc. Do your own research on this, as I already know the details. The research will do you good.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35432 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
False.The Telenator wrote:It never comes from a non-MAC user, BTW.
Ironic.Oh, and I care because I despise cads and arrogant jerks. Gee, this is plainly such a warm and welcoming forum full of lies and deception.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 4468 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
that was exactly my point. you can build a better PC for far smaller price than for what you get a Mac. but the point of Mac isn't that it's better while outperforming PC. the point of the Mac is the same as if you were buying one of those crazy expensive DAW computers - you pay the price for a piece of hardware that has components that are known to be fully compatible with each other. the Mac is just a branded PC. branded PC's are naturally more expensive than what you can make yourself out of the components, but not everyone is a PC technician and not everyone should be one.The Telenator wrote:Burillo:
I could build you a PC with the world's finest components that would seriously kick a top MacPro's butt for one half or less the price. Try Google, PC, tech and nerds forums, etc. Do your own research on this, as I already know the details. The research will do you good.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 5632 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
I think PCs can be good production machines, also depending of who's using them of course 
Personally, as Windows and Mac user I usually find the later more comfortable to use (hardware and software wise).
A usual argument for Windows-only users is performance number crunching compared to a Mac at the same price range, so if one is mostly looking for that I'd recommend to go PC.
Personally, as Windows and Mac user I usually find the later more comfortable to use (hardware and software wise).
A usual argument for Windows-only users is performance number crunching compared to a Mac at the same price range, so if one is mostly looking for that I'd recommend to go PC.
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- KVRAF
- 24411 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Burillo wrote:known to be fully compatible with each other
Which is also a research you can do on your own volition, and save big bucks in the process.