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bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:08 pm

It's separate. The categorization depends on the developer of the program. Mammoth appears under the main EQ category and then has it's own folder with the programs.

These programs are quite clearly labelled and categorized further within it's own folder.

Cheers!
bManic

Flandersh · Post by **Flandersh** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:15 pm

sorohanro wrote: Unrelated logic rant:
So, when you try the free version and doesn't sound good the answer is:
"you need the pro version, with 3rd party programs which don't work in free version"
But when you say "there is no A/B test" the answer is:
"but there is the free version, go try it"

It was a comment on their market strategy and not an advice as such. I think their strategy is to have a free version rather than audio demo's since their focus may not be so much on proving who they are, but more proving what their products do, and that is great explained on their site.

But as an advice the pro version would make thing sound better. This has to do with the upgraded engine which are able to handle libraries better and more efficiently so all the features which at this moment are possible may be used. The server version, afaik, add a shared memory feature which make it possible to use many instances of Nebula and share their memory usage.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:15 pm

bmanic wrote:It's separate. The categorization depends on the developer of the program. Mammoth appears under the main EQ category and then has it's own folder with the programs.

These programs are quite clearly labelled and categorized further within it's own folder.

Cheers!
bManic

Cool. (I meant "EQ", not "COMP". I slept in...)

Cooker · Post by **Cooker** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:55 pm

http://zabukowski.com/software/

When one starts to feel comfortable with nebula, this is the tool to go

David Else · Post by **David Else** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:57 pm

Interesting stuff here, and quite funny. A passionate subject in the underworld of audio geekery.

I think the problem is there is so much hype AND misunderstand about nebula. Also the subtle nature of many of its programs.

May I please suggest before you buy nebula to spend an evening here:

http://www.zenproaudio.com/clipalator.aspx

Go to the pre-amp section, download the audiofire 4 samples (possibly the most low end) and then all the samples of the hardware you think you would buy if you had the budget.

Now listen very carefully to them all until you are certain you can tell the difference. THIS is the kind of difference we are talking about in nebula. Make up your own mind its importance.

If you do hear this kind of subtle difference and want to get it in VST then nebula is your best bet at this point. It WILL be a pain in the arse, gobble up your CPU and have you days on a support forum to work out annoying problems. Maybe one day nebula will be updated to current standards of usabilty/GUI, but don't hold your breath

I think the EQ is unbeatable, the compression is broken (apart from Rayphlex by Cupwise that i know of), the vnxtsound plate is stunning and the preamps are brilliant when used on VSTi or any computer generated sound source.

I love it and can clearly hear the superior sound quality on my Benchmark DAC1 and Sennheiser HD 600 headphones

Check out my review if you like:

http://www.learndigitalaudio.com/blog/r ... la-plug-in

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:22 pm

Firebird wrote: I can hear what it sounds like and personally I think there are MANY
plugins that sound better, use less CPU, and don't stop working when you
need it to work.

Im suprised to hear this as for pure sound of EQ I have not heard any other eq plugin get close to Nebula. I dislike using most algo eq plugins. I have to admit I was suprised by Andy Cytomics EQ in Live 9 - very smooth...very...but usually I find algo eq as shrill.

In terms of compressors I am a bit analogue compressor fan. The only compressor Ive found usable so far is the rayflex one in Nebula.

bduffy wrote:Been playing with Nebula for awhile. I don't know...I hear some things that sound nice, and it's behaving much, much better than before in Cubase (even wrapped in 64-bit).

Are you using Nebula in OSX wrapped with jbridge? I was wondering if this could be done...

In terms of Nebula subtlety - I suggest trying the analoginthebox EQs as they are made at 44.1 seeing as you work there...and they sound great. They sound like hardware to me - where boosts sound musical. Also Alex B Preamp colour suite is great and huge value for the amount of Pres. In terms of compressors - I personally dont go to Nebula for that yet apart from rayflex. Ive tried most of them and for me personally the user experience is not great...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:40 pm

Cooker wrote:http://zabukowski.com/software/

When one starts to feel comfortable with nebula, this is the tool to go

Why do I want this (keeping in mind I'm on OS X)? For batch processing?

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:57 pm

bduffy wrote:
Cooker wrote:http://zabukowski.com/software/

When one starts to feel comfortable with nebula, this is the tool to go
Why do I want this (keeping in mind I'm on OS X)? For batch processing?

Not only that. his Nebula Set-up help you create unique versions of Nebula (clones) that can be populated with the exact programs you want (that way, it's FAR easier to browse the programs) AND set up special parameters for each program needs. so, one may have a Nebula clone for VNXD BX20 (which is AWESOME), AlexB MTP, AlexB PCS... and so forth.

Just remember to gain stage it properly (read carefully each program programmer instructions. that part is, BTW, a thing that most people seem to ignore. which is understandable... too much time bla bla bla... not it is VERY MUCH needed).

Then again, it is windows only

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:28 pm

Tp3 wrote:
bduffy wrote:
Cooker wrote:http://zabukowski.com/software/

When one starts to feel comfortable with nebula, this is the tool to go
Why do I want this (keeping in mind I'm on OS X)? For batch processing?
Not only that. his Nebula Set-up help you create unique versions of Nebula (clones) that can be populated with the exact programs you want (that way, it's FAR easier to browse the programs) AND set up special parameters for each program needs. so, one may have a Nebula clone for VNXD BX20 (which is AWESOME), AlexB MTP, AlexB PCS... and so forth.

Just remember to gain stage it properly (read carefully each program programmer instructions. that part is, BTW, a thing that most people seem to ignore. which is understandable... too much time bla bla bla... not it is VERY MUCH needed).

Then again, it is windows only

Well, that NebulaMan is Mac too. Not sure if I need that since I got Wavelab...

Sounds cool, though. Definitely for when I want to dig deeper.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:37 pm

So, I see that this thread made some people happy and even if started (and for some stayed) as a "NOOOOOoooooo.....", some actually got an "early Christmas"

Barendse · Post by **Barendse** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:38 am

bmanic wrote:If you work at 44.1kHz sample rate then you MUST check out http://www.analoginthebox.com/product.php?id=5344 and their Manley Massive Passive program (mammmoth). It was a HUGE undertaking and sounds absolutely friggin fantastic.

Cheers!
bManic

When you're working at 44.1 don't forget to grab their Fate library (Neve 1073). The Fate HPF Hi+ program is my most used Nebula program. It's not subtle al all. I think the preamp/eq was driven heavily when they sampled it. It changes boring digital sound, cut the low end and add air nicely with just one program. Works great on all sources. Don't forget to add Gdrive so you can drive the program.

zabukowski · Post by **zabukowski** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:40 am

Then again, it is windows only

Regarding Nebula Set-ups - things will definitively get better in the future ...

Just to tease you a little

Enjoy!
Zabukowski

gavriloP · Post by **gavriloP** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:00 pm

I have to take my criticism back little. I just bought AITB'S Massive Passive and even with my regular Nebula 3 the EQ is just so good. It is still a big hassle to use but man does it sound good! Also those free guitar cab programs are really nice compared to regular impulses.

So in the end I will probably never get free of the curse that is Nebula

it just sounds too good. Damn.

kvaca · Post by **kvaca** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:20 pm

Im still searching for that mysterious Nebula liqdt fader or knob on my analogue hw...still with no luck

but maybe I need to dig deeper...
and maybe thats why all algo-based modelling stuff do sound so crappy compared with Nebula libraries...looks like many devs forgot to model that knob either

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:05 pm

So, after having a long play with Nebula, even grabbed a couple of commercial libraries, and I have to say: I am not sold. I heard a couple of good things (some exciters and tapes mostly), but once again, I find the compressors to be unusable, and I just tried a reverb that used 60% of my CPU in Cubase, and would not play back without sputtering (the bounced-down file sounded nice - but how am I supposed to mix with that??).

All in all, another disappointing round with a product I can't recommend to anyone. I personally think I can get perfectly good results without it.

I respect those who do enjoy this, there are things to like, but it's just too tedious, awkward and glitchy for me, and simply doesn't BLOW ME AWAY like it's supposed to, or justify the massive disk space it needs if you want to amass a decent collection. I will be passing permanently on Nebula.

Anyone wanna buy a license for Nebula Pro?

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