KVR Audio

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:32 pm

Every time Apple upgrades its OS I'm delighted that my Elemental Audio plugs still work, and I fear the day that Neodymium will stop working because it's the only compressor I understand. Not to mention that at the time it came out lots of people were claiming it did things no other compressor could:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/archive/e ... /56174.php

For instance in my competition entry for this month http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 53#5259253 I had to deal with a flute part that had 1. spikes that I wanted to compress out, 2. a large dynamic range that I wanted to leave intact, 3. breath noises that I wanted to expand down; a noise gate would be way too crude.

What other compressors do this trick of different compression by loudness range, not frequency range?

Victor.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:58 pm

I believe the interface on neodynium is fairly unique but I think that you can get a grip on the same kind of thing by using a multi-control point dynamics plugin like something Melda, Ozone5, Blue Cat Dynamics, ToneBoosters new FlX, there are probably more. Adobe Auditon and an older Cakewalk dynamics processor have more than 2 or 3 control points you can add but I haven't used those in a great while...

Those might be a place to start, it might be a little tough getting over that NeoDynium interface and used to a new one. Good luck!

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:38 pm

Wow, havent heard that word in a while.

Even Google has some trouble tracking down that plug in.
Hard even finding a pic of it!

Maybe try Compassion.
It can do everything, and the GUI is pretty handy for seeing what its doing.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:11 am

I'm not sure that the plugs you guys are mentioning do the same. I mean, they'd have to have at least two threshold and two or three ratio knobs.

Here's what I used on that flute track:

1. Compress peaks
2. Leave middle loudness alone
3. Expand soft sounds down

Neodynium can have 4 loudness bands, and set attack release separately on each, but I didn't use that here.

Victor.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:31 am

Yes - I used to use neodynium but like to set points on a transfer curve better. Check out the Ozone5 manual, it's the easiest one to compare to the different zones in Neodynium I think. Ozone5 Standard is multi-band, each band has the zones you mention, you can only use in single-band mode if you like to set up the zones:

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/o ... namics.asp

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:55 am

Yeah, no sorry, Im stupid.

I just completely ignored the multiband aspect.
I was just thinking 'compressor you can see'.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:01 am

VicDiesel wrote:I'm not sure that the plugs you guys are mentioning do the same. I mean, they'd have to have at least two threshold and two or three ratio knobs.

Here's what I used on that flute track:

1. Compress peaks
2. Leave middle loudness alone
3. Expand soft sounds down

Neodynium can have 4 loudness bands, and set attack release separately on each, but I didn't use that here.

Victor.

I had Neodynium back when it was an Elemental Audio plugin. Really strange dynamics processor. Did some cool, bizarre stuff. I honestly don't know of anything that does the same.

To those who don't know, this is a multiband compressor that doesn't split up the bands by frequency like most multiband comps, instead it splits the bands up into volume range. So you could use it to gate out low-level noise, while limiting peaks, and compressing the body of a sound all at once. Or use it to bring up the room volume on a track, while leaving the main bits of the audio uncompressed.

I'd love to see someone else take this on, but so far, I don't know of anything else that attempts this.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:21 am

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highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:29 am

Someone said something about it making their dick hurt in the original thread.
I swear.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:48 am

TheoM wrote:right and if ozone does it i'll be chuffed but i honestly thought to this day it was unique and wonderful, neodynium that is. I was on the beta team for that, such a good stable plugin.

Oh well,

something for a current dev to copy i think, since it really does seem EA are never coming back

I remember it so fondly, bands of loudness zones rather than frequencies. It was actually a single band frequency comp, or broadband as they call them, but you could do different things to different areas of the loudness spectrum,

AFAIR it could do upwards on the bottom parts for example and leave everything else untouched.

Neodynium was something kind of special IMO also, I miss the EA folks I thought that was something special also with firium, eqium, etc. I think Ozone5 (not ozone4) can get close, Tomeboosters Flx has more of the sound IMO but doesn't have 4 zones, Ozone5 only has 3, Adobe Audition I believe you can make 6 or 7 zones. Blue Cat has 2 zones I think. Melda has a transfer curve that you should be able to insert many points on but I can't really make it go (my fault).

I'm with you guys more dynamics plugs with zones in a similar way would be nice.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:01 am

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Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:05 am

TheoM wrote:right and if ozone does it i'll be chuffed but i honestly thought to this day it was unique and wonderful, neodynium that is. I was on the beta team for that, such a good stable plugin..

I was on the beta team for that one too. The good ole days! The RND buy out really sucked. Never even got support or acknowledgement of my testing or prior licenses. Then of course they went under...

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:13 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Then of course they went under...

Literally... Roger bought the farm.

But there was that other guy... forget his name... some kind of a power struggle going on.

Yup, they were great plugs, and I used the RND ones with the retro skin for quite a while.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:31 am

TheoM wrote: AFAIR it could do upwards on the bottom parts for example and leave everything else untouched.

I used that the other day with some hand percussion. There were no peaks to compress, but lots of really soft touches to bring up.

I have all the EA stuff. I guess the sound is good, but I really don't hear the difference between one EQ and another; to me it was the UI (and for NeoD the plain functionality) that made the difference.

Victor.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:53 am

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Alternatives to Neodymium?