Ableton Live 9 announced

[JoeCat]

Just took the opportunity to get the upgrade to Ableton Live 8 Suite (from Standard version) with an included free Live 9 upgrade.

Already had a few single plugins like e.g. Analog and Sampler but the additional ones in the Suite are really nice. Also looking forward to the additional plugins in Live 9 Suite like e.g. the Glue and Max 4 Live.

As i just sold the AAS Modeling collection this is a nice way to have some AAS plugins again and those Live instruments (Analog, Tension, Electric, Colision) seem to be based on some of those AAS plugins (e.g. Ultra Analog, String Studio, Lounge Lizard, Chromaphone). The planned purchase for the Live 8/9 Suite was one reason to sell the Modeling collection.
Also nice to have Operator now as recently i became more interested in FM.


Ingo

Operator is a great workhorse - not just for "standard" FM, but for laying down subs, creating percussion, etc. It's only 4 operator but otherwise I think it holds its own. Thing about FM is that these instruments haven't "dated" like the subtractives, where the DSP for filters, etc. is advancing with CPU rates.

The rest are also still useful - missing a few features of their commercial counterparts but you don't usually miss what you don't have

The biggest let-down for me with the built-ins was always Reverb (I don't think I have a very sophisticated ear - "what aliasing?" - but I just don't care for the sound). There are enough solid replacements though, and 9 has the convolution verb. Analog sounds fine but could use an update too (IMHO).

[robogone]

Interesting. It's usually that the email notification can take a day or two, so I've often heard about updates here before getting an email.

Don't know I'll bother with this as it's only a week or so to 9.

[Ingonator]

stealth release of Live 8.4 (final)
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Installed the upgrade to Live 8 Suite today (with free update to Live 9 Suite when it's out). While opening Live again i found it is updated to 8.4 (i activated automatic updates).


Ingo

[hibidy]

Wow! They put out a huge "pack" update for session drums, not only doesn't it fix the core problem (things not being grouped properly) but they didn't even do it for all of session drums, just multimic, which it doesn't matter.......cuz they DIDN'T FIX it anyways I'm really pissed. This was such a joy to use in 8.4, I can't fathom why it's not a top priority

I don't see why you are so upset... these are betas afterall... it will all get sorted out within a couple point updates after initial release, and in the meanwhile, keep using Live 8.4 until 9 is where you are happy with it...

Yup, it's amazing how angry people are on the beta forum about things not working - it's a beta!!!
I guess hats what happens when you do an open Beta, no one is complaining about Bitwig stuff not working properly!

The reality is here will be bugs and the need for further improvements on release- Cubase 7 had two point releases in a few months for stability. I'm happy wit the 64 but Live 9 release as beta, no crashes, just stuff that needs tweaking; there will be lots and lots of releases and improvements in 9 (before we get to 10) all via auto update enjoy the ride and all the free updates that will undoubtedly come with live 9 when you upgrade- I get the live 9 suit upgrade for 130 quid, that's a no brainer for me on the content packs alone,

Sorry you guys don't understand where I'm coming from, but considering the OP over there that they posted this in they should have mentioned that they didn't fix the biggest glaring very very hard to workaround issue before going through a 4.3 GB download to find out it fixed virtually nothing. I just think IF they are going to fix the issue (the big glaring one) they should have just waited and released it when it was ready.

[braj]

The thing is it isn't released, it is beta, it is buggy, you are a tester if you use the beta, you can't really complain. It gives you a peek into the features and state of the app. In my experience with being QA and having external betas is that sometimes the public beta will behind some number of builds even, so even judging the current betas as the current state of the app may be inaccurate. Wait and see, if you don't want any grief with 9 stop beta testing it

[hibidy]

I get that, what I don't understand is that we're less than a week away from release and 4.3 GB download for ONE PART of session drums was updated, w/o the biggest issue being addressed. Why not say "we're still working on grouping" to warn people before dl'ing a 4.3 GB file?

I understand beta test, it's gonna have problems, etc. I just think considering the timeline, it's unlikely it's going to get fixed. Honestly guys, do you really think the beta experience has been as hands on from them as you'd expect for a major release? I just don't. Sorry, I know that doesn't sit well some others but I just don't. Seems like instead of things being busier and getting things ready, it's just "oh well, we'll fix it someday". I can't believe I'm the only one who feels this if. If so, you have my apologies.

[justin3am]

The thing is it isn't released, it is beta, it is buggy, you are a tester if you use the beta, you can't really complain. It gives you a peek into the features and state of the app. In my experience with being QA and having external betas is that sometimes the public beta will behind some number of builds even, so even judging the current betas as the current state of the app may be inaccurate. Wait and see, if you don't want any grief with 9 stop beta testing it

I agree. I can't say that I'm familliar with Ableton's development process but having managed beta teams in the past, I know I can't make assumptions about the developement status based on the state of current betas.

That siad, I have no idea about current state of Live betas in general. I have no free time for beta testing so I'm still using the last customer release version. Though my experience with Live 8 was pretty good from the first release, I'll probably hold off on upgrading until the first few updates have fixed any issues that weren't dealt with at launch.

I'm a die-hard Ableton Live user, but getting work done is more important to me than using the latest/greatest.

[justin3am]

Sorry hibidy, I missed your last post.
I don't think your expectation is unreasonable. I can totally understand your frustration. Some times the QA guys in charge of beta admin are responsive to user input, but sometimes they only have time to test for reported bugs and report the ones they can reproduce to the dev team.

If Ableton have a strict schedule to meet, they may release a product that has bugs. The only alternative is to push back the schedule, which can have it's own detrimental effects. I've seen stuff like this going down to the final hours before release. There is no way to tell what the final release will look like until it's released.

[hibidy]

yeah, I'm just venting, no reason they should be catering to "me", but I think some people are really going to be upset with this release if there isn't a magic wand they can use to make some of this go away.

Anyways, I've done what I can. I honestly thought it would be further along by now.

8.4 went final today btw,

[Echoes in the Attic]

I get that, what I don't understand is that we're less than a week away from release and 4.3 GB download for ONE PART of session drums was updated, w/o the biggest issue being addressed. Why not say "we're still working on grouping" to warn people before dl'ing a 4.3 GB file?

The weird thing about the session drums mess though is that it was fine in Live 8. Now it's a disaster.

[hibidy]

I get that, what I don't understand is that we're less than a week away from release and 4.3 GB download for ONE PART of session drums was updated, w/o the biggest issue being addressed. Why not say "we're still working on grouping" to warn people before dl'ing a 4.3 GB file?

The weird thing about the session drums mess though is that it was fine in Live 8. Now it's a disaster.

Exactly!

[hibidy]

So the question becomes......will groove 3 have a viddy ready right at the launch, or no?

I sure hope so, I know that I haven't even come close to finding all the new features and learning them.

[pdxindy]

I get that, what I don't understand is that we're less than a week away from release and 4.3 GB download for ONE PART of session drums was updated, w/o the biggest issue being addressed. Why not say "we're still working on grouping" to warn people before dl'ing a 4.3 GB file?

The weird thing about the session drums mess though is that it was fine in Live 8. Now it's a disaster.

My guess is that Ableton is changing stuff to accommodate Push somehow... and in doing so, still trying to figure out solutions that work for both cases.

[hibidy]

According to ableton,

Grouping Drum Tracks means nesting a Drum Rack inside a Drum Rack, which can cause several problems with certain hotswap and drag & drop actions. Since some users actually have run into these problems, we decided to not deliver nested Drum Racks in the Live 9 content. Sadly, this apparently introduces a drawback for other users.

Wow. If hot swapping is more important to someone than having a clean interface and nice organized browser files to tell you what is what, then have at it. Like I said guys, I feel the experience has been one step forward, two steps back.

[ezelkow1]

Its stuff like that that confuses me so much. I dont know why they are so hell bent on adding new features, some only a small few would care about, at the expense of pre-existing features and backwards compatibility, especially when they really dont have to and could cater to both points of view. I can understand cutting out cruft when possible, but stuff like this just makes no sense

you arent the only one with pack issues. Saw another report of a paid for expansion pack, and a naming issue with all of its racks reported over a month ago where each drum rack slot was named wrong. He checked today and there was an update, that increased 300mb in size, and it still had the naming issue over a month after reporting and acknowledgement of the issue