KVR Audio

Azarashi · Post by **Azarashi** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:50 am

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Nanakai · Post by **Nanakai** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:54 am

Definitely give the Live demo a good spin.

Congrats on finding work! It's not easy these days...

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:04 am

Azarashi wrote:I have been using FL Studio for 10 years.
Now my clients are Toyota and Sony. And I got success in various trailer placements recently.
Now I feel it is time to finally change from FL Studio to something new, innovative, modern. A new DAW to put my teeth in.

- I make trailer music.
- I need instant access to my wav files, and mod them in every way, fast
- I like simplicity, not more functionality than enough
- I like "plain" interface color environments
- As for Kontakt, I use strings, horns, piano, pads.
- I want a DAW that is constantly in development

Everyone is suggesting Logic for obvious reasons, but I need some PC recommendations as well.

Which DAW is suitable for me?

Cubase, Studio One, Ableton Live?

i dont understand why you want to change your DAW now. everything you listed (except plain interface

) is within FL Studio and you can do everything with it.

maybe you think it's not pro enough to use FL Studio? i'm afraid to disappoint you. more then a few pros use exactly FL for their income.

Azarashi · Post by **Azarashi** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:06 am

Azarashi · Post by **Azarashi** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:08 am

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:19 am

okay i understand, it's only that what you have listed FL can do easily.
i'm interested to hear what you miss since i also use FL within Cubase (Cubase because of my Hardware Gear Recordings). ITB i cant find something that i cant do with FL too.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:06 pm

Presonus S1, ticks the boxes!

Panphobia · Post by **Panphobia** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:25 am

reaper!

-excellent media browser
-nice gui, highly cusomizeable if you dont like stock gui
-drag n drop pretty much anything
-it will auto-create multi out tracks for kontakt if you want
-the best 32 - 64 bridge I have used (works even better than j bridge for me)

and lots of other stuff is great about it. I suggest you check out the demo.

Oh, and BIG GRATS!!!!!

paulm12 · Post by **paulm12** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:32 am

Azarashi wrote:I have been using FL Studio for 10 years.

- I need instant access to my wav files, and mod them in every way, fast
- I like simplicity, not more functionality than enough
- I like "non-ableton-ish" "plain" interface color environments
- I want a DAW that is constantly in development

Everyone is suggesting Logic for obvious reasons, but I need some PC recommendations as well.

Which DAW is suitable for me?

Cubase, Studio One, Ableton Live?

Someone mentioned Studio One, and I second that. While I still use FL Studio for a lot of things (probably more out of habit than anything), there are a lot of things that stand out about Studio One that makes it, IMO, the superior DAW to all.

You mention simplicity; there is no doubt that Studio One is simple and its interface friendly. That's what its known for! The features you want are (mostly) all there, and in the most convenient place, too. And switching to S1's mixer from FLs is like....damn...all the difference in the world

For instant access to WAV files, S1 has this way where you can drag n drop files from the browser right into audio tracks, instrument locations (like samplers and drum pads), etc. A lot of DAWs do the former, not too many do the latter.

By far my favorite feature of S1 is the whole rendering/MusicLoop format thing. When you "freeze" an instrument track to audio to conserve CPU, you can easily "unfreeze" it to adjust notes and even change the instrument, than convert it right back to an audio file with a click.

As for the MusicLoop format, dragging a MIDI clip from an instrument track to where you want in the browser quickly exports a .WAV file with the patch of the instrument used, the MIDI file, the FX chain, and even the tempo and time signature. Later on, you can call up these loops to edit the midi, instrument, effects, etc. in a different project altogether, and because it saves the .WAV file as well in a compressed loop, you can quickly preview the sound/riff before you add it. This feature is way too addicting, because it provides a superior way to store patches (Like you can listen to the patch AND listen to it on a riff that puts it in context of what it should be used for), plus it can store riffs you constantly use, but may want in a different instrument.

As for included content, it sounds like you have Komplete (or at least Kontakt), and that's great, because while S1 comes with a few instruments (like four), there's nothing too special about them as compared to other DAW's included instruments. Particularly disappointing is the lack of a proper 2+ oscillator VA softsynth, however the S1 Professional more than makes up with that by including Komplete elements, with its Carbon 2 Synth in Reaktor which is pretty awesome. Plus, who buys a DAW for its included instruments, there are 99% of the time better FREE ones out there. (Its worth mentioning that the two samplers are great though!)

As for the effects, Studio One has some pretty darn good ones, and its worth noting the Melodyne integration with S1 Pro is absolutely fantastic, even if you don't work with vocals too much.

Another thing S1 rules at is its controller integration. Tweak a knob on a softsynth, tweak a knob on a controller, and press the "link" button right above the plugin. Alternatively, if you want to automate a parameter, move it, then click the "A" button right next to the link button (which displays the current value of the knob & parameter and the control names both on your midi controller and vst instrument). Automation can be done both clip-based and track based, and I believe clip-based takes precedent, so you can technically have both. This may sound like a small thing, but if you are constantly clicking into (Edit->last tweaked->link to controller), jiggling the knob, and hoping it picks up, it really saves a lot of time.

Unfortunately, there's no smooth way to create an accelerando (like a gradual increase in tempo-unless I'm mistaken and there's an update for that in 2.5, but there are workarounds for this), however time signature changes and abrupt tempo changes, on the other hand, are as simple as right clicking the track and adding the value you want.

It sounds like you work with MIDI, so I'd recommend either Studio One or Mulab, if you want simplicity. Honestly, Mulab has some fantastic features and is incredibly simple, especially is you work with MIDI. Reaper's great if you work with (recording) audio, but its MIDI editing features are nothing special from what I've heard. Once again, my #1 recommendation is Studio One. I was drawn in to it initially by its easy interface, and the simplicity and speed at which I work with it is astounding, and has kept me more than happy. And don't even get me started on the free Faderport I received with it, which has made my life even easier.

S1 recently got a FREE update to Version 2.5, which had over 100 new features and fixes because they "love us" (its creepier in the video), and it seems like every month or two, something is either being fixed or upgraded. S1 has been rock solid for me, too, something I wish I could say about FL. The developers are pretty chill people and the whole online community is great; its even integrated with the browser so you can download other peoples' stuff without even leaving the DAW.

Keep in mind, even after "switching" S1 pro, that doesn't necessarily mean I never use FLStudio. I use it as a sketchpad, then kinda import everything to S1. In fact, I probably spend more time in FLStudio than S1. Be sure you are switching for the right reason. Luckily, S1 and FLStudio compliment each other very very well, (even if FLStudio's rewire and VST support DO NOT support keyboard shortcuts, something I'm kinda pissed about, but that's beside the point). You probably already know this, but by switching, there WILL be a lot of features you miss. But perhaps there will be more you will find that you like.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents, and while there is no best DAW overall, sometimes an interface just "clicks" with someone, and it sounds like Ableton has clicked with a lot of people around here. But S1 clicked with me, and it may click with you, so try the demo.

Hope that helps. Sorry it was really long.

Note thatL I'm not trying to SELL you Studio One (necessarily), but I had just wished someone had shown it to me BEFORE I had screwed around with Logic, but then wanted to use PC VSTs, Cubase, but didn't want a dongle, (plus the lack of demo kinda was a turnoff), Sonar, and hated the cluttered interface, Project5, and learned it was discontinued, etc. Also, keep in mind Bitwig may come out sometime in the next 20 years, and that looks really sick: http://bitwig.com/bitwig-studio

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:34 am

Trailer music? Why do I suddenly think: DP?

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:41 am

murnau wrote:okay i understand, it's only that what you have listed FL can do easily.
i'm interested to hear what you miss since i also use FL within Cubase (Cubase because of my Hardware Gear Recordings). ITB i cant find something that i cant do with FL too.

+1

I think, even if the OP doesn't want to admit it, it is simply that he doesn't think it's pro enough...

ferez21 · Post by **ferez21** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:44 am

Azarashi wrote: - I want a DAW that is constantly in development

FL Studio 11 is coming very soon... I would wait for it before replacing it with something you need to learn from scratch.

WaveOnWave · Post by **WaveOnWave** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:07 pm

What about Pro Tools, or Sony Acid ?
Both seem to satisfy your criteria

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:58 pm

if money is no object "within reason of course" go with digital performer. it will give you the pro 'status' your looking for though most people cant afford it, it is known for being a daw used in the film scoring industry. protools is what the pros use though hence 'pro' tools but quite costly when you have to buy all the extra gear for it. hans zimmer uses cubase though.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:42 am

Cubase is a little bit convoluted (9 year hobbyist FLer here) and the only other DAW I'm 'interested' in is Reaper. I have LIVE, and Cubase LE.

The only MAJOR criticism I have of FL at his point is its painfully rudimentary mixer (and no LAN syncing

). Didn't like LIVE much, Cubase is fantastic, but the learning curve is no joke, especially coming from FL.

TRy Reaper. Everyone raved about it, and once I got the demo, I saw alot of what they were talking about