Legal Sampling

[Sascha Franck]

Even Eric Persing (head of Spectrasonics) once said on some list that sampling non sample based synths is perfectly legal. Usually he's pretty much picky about such things.
Sampling things such as a Roland JV synth or, on the virtual side of things, Athmosphere and the likes however would be illegal (unless you do it for your own purposes only).

There might be some problems with mixed beasts, such as Pentagon (which actually uses wavetables), but in that special case René once said he couldn't care less...

I have a whole bunch of sampled VSTis (until a few weeks ago my most powerful machine was a 1GHz one) and I'll gladly share the best patches with anybody. Just need to get some more time (and a bit more of webspace too).
Sometimes I even sample VSTis to add functionality. For example, one of my favourites is a sampled Tau, which now supports pitchbend and polyphony.

[mauseoleum]

I smell patcharena is going to suffer some bandwidth ...

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The soundfonts may be for sale.

WHAT???? you selling out now

just kidding

[Kriminal]

The soundfonts may be for sale.

WHAT???? you selling out now

just kidding

Nah, that was me being optomistic that some kind soul may want to put them in their software package and sell them for me, thus making me instantly rich



Seriously tho, i would like to put some free ones on the net if i think they are good/diff enough.

[Polychrome]

Ah, I see what you want to do now.

I think you're on pretty safe legal turf, as long as you don't do a couple things that other posters have pointed out.

You could always use anything you want, but make notes to yourself in cases where you probably shouldn't sell the soundfont. For personal use in your own music it should never become an issue.

By the way, the original post WAS a bit vague. There was no need for folks to put other people down, as though anyone who didn't immediately realize what Krim was asking was some kind of idiot.

Have fun

[bluedad]

By the way, the original post WAS a bit vague. There was no need for folks to put other people down, as though anyone who didn't immediately realize what Krim was asking was some kind of idiot.

I understood perfectly what Krim was on about from the first read.
Unfortunatley, that was posted hours ago, and you've all had the fun replying.
and I doubt with daves' programming chops, that he'd bother much with factory presets.

[Svante]

<sorta off topic>
This discussion reminds me of the track "What you want" by rap outfit Ruff Ryderz, where producer Swizz Beats sampled one of the demo songs off a Roland keyboard without clearing it. If I remember correctly, Roland made a legal case of it. Which is silly - if I buy a $2000 keyboard, I oughta be able to use it how I want, including pressing the demo button at the same time as the "record" button on my tape recorder.

In my experience, the theory and practice of sampling law are two completely different things. Technically, any sample should be cleared, but I don't believe anyone ever paid for a sample shorter than a second. Furthermore, not many people using the "funky drummer" loop ever paid for it. I guess some samples become public possession..

</sorta off topic>

[Big Tick]

You should also avoid using factory patches in your sampling, because those patches are protected by copyright. If you only use patches you have created yourself, you should be fine.

Indeed, if you intend to sample Rhino, I'm fine with it, although I'd prefer if it was your own presets only.
I recently discovered a Cheezemachine sample on a commercial sample cd. This is the kind of thing that really annoys me.

'Tick

[xian]

>where producer Swizz Beats sampled one of the demo
>songs off a Roland keyboard without clearing it

The demo songs that ship with hardware synths are generally copyrighted. The patches themselves are another story.

[Deranger604]

As long as what isnt a rompler? WTF are you lot on about???

IM GOING TO SAMPLE VST SYNTHS TO MAKE SOUNDFONTS TO PLAY IN VST SOUNDFONT PLAYERS

Clear enough?

Whoa damn dude. Look at the times of thread post. I didn't even see you're post until after I posted mine. Chill the fug' out!

[Kriminal]

OK, i think to be on the safe side, i'l just mail the devs themselves and ask.

Thanks for the help.

[vurt]

either way krim ill be interested what you come up with in chainer.ive done a few sfs myself with it,nothing to write home about but its pretty easy to do even for a weed addled muppet like me

[scuzzphut]

In reference to the advice to avoid copyrighted names (Roland, 303, Juno, Roland, Roland etc.) I remember the old UK music magazine "One Two Testing" had a bunch of cut-out-and-stick labels for your crappy synths.
The images were done in the style of the original manufacturer in typeface, layout, graphics etc., but the names were

Ronald
Grok
Failright

etc.

Along those lines, can I suggest..

Tezza +
Impostah
VeryDisco
Absent
Rhein-Oh!


etc.


By the way , "One Two Testing" was a fabulous music mag with an irreverent sense of humour. They even printed a knitting pattern for a giant sweater with their logo on it. Somehow, I managed to persuade my mum to knit me one and I never had it off my back

[Deranger604]

OK, i think to be on the safe side, i'l just mail the devs themselves and ask.

Thanks for the help.

They'll tell you the same thing I did... I have a degree in music law/theory/production. I know what's up!

[shamann]

It was previously mentioned, but I thought I'd emphasize:

The biggest source of potential grief for what you propose will be trademark infringement if you sell. For instance if you were to market a collection of samples as the Kurzweil collection without permission from the trademark holder, you could be looking at whole lot of whoop-ass coming your way.

Cheers,
Steve