Are we seeing the decline of the plug-in industry?

[pdxindy]

But I suppose many of the most creative people can't afford Pro Tools and make the best of whatever mediocre stuff they have. Once artists are successful and can thus afford the best stuff money can buy, they often cease to be creative. I mean, most new music we hear on the radio and in movies today is made using Pro Tools and other expensive gear, but do I want to listen to that music? In at least 9 out of 10 cases I don't...

There needs to be some distinction between musicians and engineers. Lots of musicians do not use Pro Tools. Most engineers do (maybe not exclusively). I would say one main characteristic of the professional setting is that there is a pipeline and multiple apps are used.


And it is not the specific tool which drives whatever conformity there is in the music industry... It is not Pro Tools fault.

[whyterabbyt]

Yes, 'music industry' and 'industry standard' already imply what is going on. I am more interested in the artistic side of it. Never would I allow anyone to interfere with the music I make. I prefer being poor.

Call me naive, but I think a talented person should be able to make fine music with a simple DAW under 100 bucks, free Tal and similar plugins, a microphone and maybe an instrument they play.

Call me even more naive but I think a talented person should be able to make fine music with whatever they want. Including ProTools.

[Crackbaby]

if you want to stay under 100 us, never demo circuit modeled stuff

[fluffy_little_something]

But I suppose many of the most creative people can't afford Pro Tools and make the best of whatever mediocre stuff they have. Once artists are successful and can thus afford the best stuff money can buy, they often cease to be creative. I mean, most new music we hear on the radio and in movies today is made using Pro Tools and other expensive gear, but do I want to listen to that music? In at least 9 out of 10 cases I don't...

There needs to be some distinction between musicians and engineers. Lots of musicians do not use Pro Tools. Most engineers do (maybe not exclusively). I would say one main characteristic of the professional setting is that there is a pipeline and multiple apps are used.


And it is not the specific tool which drives whatever conformity there is in the music industry... It is not Pro Tools fault.

In many cases people using DAWs are both musicians and engineers these days. I know several people who do everything by themselves, from recording to uploading their stuff to music stores.

[pdxindy]

But I suppose many of the most creative people can't afford Pro Tools and make the best of whatever mediocre stuff they have. Once artists are successful and can thus afford the best stuff money can buy, they often cease to be creative. I mean, most new music we hear on the radio and in movies today is made using Pro Tools and other expensive gear, but do I want to listen to that music? In at least 9 out of 10 cases I don't...

There needs to be some distinction between musicians and engineers. Lots of musicians do not use Pro Tools. Most engineers do (maybe not exclusively). I would say one main characteristic of the professional setting is that there is a pipeline and multiple apps are used.


And it is not the specific tool which drives whatever conformity there is in the music industry... It is not Pro Tools fault.

In many cases people using DAWs are both musicians and engineers these days. I know several people who do everything by themselves, from recording to uploading their stuff to music stores.

I have no access to any statistics, but my guess among those people is that Pro Tools is just one of many...

[Phase47]

The decline? No. It's just getting good! As long as the like of Cytomic, FXpansion, U-He and D16 stay agile and keep delivering, I can't forsee any decline on the horizon. While the larger developers might struggle with a lack of market & dev agility, there are others out there like Sonimus, Voxengo & Klanghelm who will out maneuver.

[The_Hidden_Goose]

...and Hollow Sun who do some fantastic soundware-ish things at frankly ridiculously low prices for the potential of the instruments!

Had to get that in....Fanboy!

[The Telenator]

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[zvenx]

Now.... I am concerned......
rsp

[Urs]

That ain't the decline of the plug-in industry, that is the decline of something else

[Delfinoverde]

I agree with you Delfino, but if AVID feels that their business model is best served by exclusivity, they will either succeed with it or get run into the ground as their user base starts to switch to other platforms (remember Opcode, Sonic Solutions, etc...). There is no question that a closed standard is risky, but they are in business to make money.

I'm not sure who the snobby elitists are though.

Interesting conversation!

"I'm not sure who the snobby elitists are though."
Without wanting to hurt people, i'll tell you:
Not really Avid but some high-nosed customers who believe they're the cream-of-the-cream of society! Again, it's not related to Pro Tools users, so sorry.

I wouldn't call you naive. I think Society in general need people like you who are willing to give it all for art. It's the dreamers and altruists who advance civilization!

That's true - but the profiteers & the exploiters are making cash with it!

[zvenx]

That ain't the decline of the plug-in industry, that is the decline of something else

Phew,
he is gone..... his previous posts were possibly explained as a very old grumpy man. But the last one was just pure rant... bordering on lord knows what.

rsp

[SadPuppyBlues]

I always miss the rants!! UGgggggggghhhh, I wanted to see at least one.

[mcnoone]

I think the economy has more to do with decline of certain types of purchasing than anything else.

[KBSoundSmith]

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Ohhh....

I missed the rant...