KVR Audio

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:29 pm

hibidy wrote:https://www.box.com/s/5n165vbrjw548ivlzc6h

Just what audio to midi can do. It's a George Duke wav and then made into a very average sounding piano. The possibilities are endless.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:39 pm

Is it just me, or would it take like a Vulcan mind-meld to remember all those combinations with that "Push" thingy? I realize it has potential for Live devotees and non-keyboard players but after watching the videos I was wondering how long it took the demonstrator to learn that stuff... Ha!

KungKrille · Post by **KungKrille** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:15 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:Are people at Ableton colorblind? Just saying, every new version seems to look more grim and grim.
Well, be thankful that it isn't looking like the website
Don't get me started.

They were at the vanguard of this new "clean UI" look. How did they get it so clean? Well they removed visual cues as to the functionality of elements. My current client is gaga over this new look (I guess he upgraded to Windows 8 ) and now he's complaining that "it's hard to tell what items are indicators and what items are clickable." Of course, early in the process I explained, "The problem with this look is that..."

I actually like the looks of both the new site and the software. Something I have wished for quite a while though is that there was an option to render the Live GUI without the antialiasing.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:51 pm

schnapsglas wrote:
hibidy wrote:https://www.box.com/s/5n165vbrjw548ivlzc6h

Just what audio to midi can do. It's a George Duke wav and then made into a very average sounding piano. The possibilities are endless.

The george duke is a wav and the other is the extracted midi which means you can convert that passage to whatever you want. piano, strings, whatever. I have no idea what is funny about it.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:21 pm

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:02 pm

hibidy wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
hibidy wrote:https://www.box.com/s/5n165vbrjw548ivlzc6h

Just what audio to midi can do. It's a George Duke wav and then made into a very average sounding piano. The possibilities are endless.

The george duke is a wav and the other is the extracted midi which means you can convert that passage to whatever you want. piano, strings, whatever. I have no idea what is funny about it.

It is funny, because from the start I thought "if Ableton fails at tuning audio to midi, they will call it a creative tool," and they did. Of course possibilities are endless, but -- the conversion is just not very good. Possibilities are endless with any sort of audio programming software, but we don't really value it based on that fact alone.

It does provide new workflow and I do like it (at the danger of contradicting myself) but I think Ableton would rather have a working model.

And I thought you were being cynical like me, as well. It really made me laugh out loud, in the morning, because I thought it was your intention.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:06 pm

Yeah, the wording was very funny - take a George Duke file and make it sound average.
Amazing what tech can do

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:11 pm

schnapsglas wrote:
hibidy wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
hibidy wrote:https://www.box.com/s/5n165vbrjw548ivlzc6h

Just what audio to midi can do. It's a George Duke wav and then made into a very average sounding piano. The possibilities are endless.

The george duke is a wav and the other is the extracted midi which means you can convert that passage to whatever you want. piano, strings, whatever. I have no idea what is funny about it.
It is funny, because from the start I thought "if Ableton fails at tuning audio to midi, they will call it a creative tool," and they did. Of course possibilities are endless, but -- the conversion is just not very good. Possibilities are endless with any sort of audio programming software, but we don't really value it based on that fact alone.

It does provide new workflow and I do like it (at the danger of contradicting myself) but I think Ableton would rather have a working model.

And I thought you were being cynical like me, as well. It really made me laugh out loud, in the morning, because I thought it was your intention.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:11 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:Yeah, the wording was very funny - take a George Duke file and make it sound average.
Amazing what tech can do

I thought people would be like "cool" but guess I was wrong.

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:26 pm

hibidy wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:Yeah, the wording was very funny - take a George Duke file and make it sound average.
Amazing what tech can do
I thought people would be like "cool" but guess I was wrong.

In my mind, in fact, I had

in mind. It really sounded like it

Be happy for being like the third person to make me laugh aloud while reading KVR.

"Imagine if the Persians had won the Battle of Salamis. The present day would be almost completely the same. Or if King John had signed the Magna Carta while wearing bunny ears. The possibilities are endless!"

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:30 pm

hibidy wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:Yeah, the wording was very funny - take a George Duke file and make it sound average.
Amazing what tech can do
I thought people would be like "cool" but guess I was wrong.

It is very cool. But the delivery was funny. Look at how they made this sound worse!

But obviously that's not the point of it.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:47 pm

I usually get that stuff and laugh too. This time, I fail.

Anyways, I've been using it a lot in the last week or so. SOMETIMES there are quite a few artifacts, which is easily edited, but can sound shitty.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:01 pm

Ok well I just uploaded my first Ableton Live 9 sketch in the KVR music forum. So far I have to say the workflow for me has been improved ALOT!

It took me about 4 minutes to figure things out and i was making tunes. The rendering of the final track using the 64 bit version was insanely fast! I am really enjoying the curved automation and improved clip automation.

Was the update worth it? Well so far YES! The Glue compressor and EQ8 sound excellent!

Actually the Glue is almost like magic, it just makes things stand out and just like the name implies, it glues the sounds together.

EQ8 sounds really good and you can really hear the changes when you tweak the parameters. For an all round EQ I think I'll definitely be using the EQ8 a lot more!

As far as the GUI changes go, so far It is nothing that big so I was able to adapt quick to the new changes.

I have not yet gotten around to using the M4L devices yet, but I will report on that as I start implementing them in my tracks.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:47 pm

Yeah, the glue is terrific. Still no mousewheel support though

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:36 am

KungKrille wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:Are people at Ableton colorblind? Just saying, every new version seems to look more grim and grim.
Well, be thankful that it isn't looking like the website
Don't get me started.

They were at the vanguard of this new "clean UI" look. How did they get it so clean? Well they removed visual cues as to the functionality of elements. My current client is gaga over this new look (I guess he upgraded to Windows 8 ) and now he's complaining that "it's hard to tell what items are indicators and what items are clickable." Of course, early in the process I explained, "The problem with this look is that..."
I actually like the looks of both the new site and the software. Something I have wished for quite a while though is that there was an option to render the Live GUI without the antialiasing.

You don't actually like it. Your brain is just producing dopamine in response to a novel stimuli. When the entire world is ugly like that, you'll miss vintage design.

Ableton live 9 released