Ableton live 9 released

[ChiTown24]

Push looks kool, but it's expensive and it only took a day {or was it less?} for Push orders to roll out to 12-16week delivery times. 4months? To me, that indicates that it's going to be about 8 months at least until reports of any common manufacturing faults or failings start surfacing across social media - should any such common faults or failings exist. So I don't see myself buying Push, if it's something I think is worth the expense and could improve my music making, until about Xmas at the earliest. in effect I'll be waiting for some sort of winter/xmas sales promotion or the first one that comes after that time. Another thing I'm considering; there are better warranties offered by some {most?} 3rd party retailers.

so what about updating to Live 9, from 8 Suite + M4L + Max6. Hmmm. well it's bloody too expensive for a start. Now, or the winter promotion period at the earliest are the only times I'm likely to bite. Early adopting an Ableton Live release has never been a happy experience, and early forum indications aren't doing anything to dispel that concern.

so I guess I should just wish you all the best of luck in beta testing & bug reporting over the next year. Thanks in advance - as the saying goes!

[KungKrille]

I actually like the looks of both the new site and the software. Something I have wished for quite a while though is that there was an option to render the Live GUI without the antialiasing.

You don't actually like it. Your brain is just producing dopamine in response to a novel stimuli. When the entire world is ugly like that, you'll miss vintage design.

Well, I was forced to go through this for a couple of weeks Anything not from the Abes has made me feel sick since then...

[rod_zero]

Yeah, I like PUsh too a lot but is quite expensive, I am sure it will drop in price at some point maybe 25%, probably by xmas.

And by then we will have tons of new scrips and m4l devices to make it more fun.

[pdxindy]

Yeah, I like PUsh too a lot but is quite expensive, I am sure it will drop in price at some point maybe 25%, probably by xmas.

And by then we will have tons of new scrips and m4l devices to make it more fun.

If sales are robust, (and it seems they are with the current wait) I would not expect a 25% drop in price that soon... we will see of course. But if it is 25% less by Christmas, that is 9 months away. I can currently purchase Push for $550. This is $50 less than the standalone price of $600. If the $600 is offered with a 25% discount on Christmas, that makes the price $450. So for me, that would be a savings of $100 for waiting 9 months.

So I am saving $11 dollars a month to not use Push. Or I could think of it as renting Push for $11 a month for the next 9 months. This seems like a tiny price if the device is really useful to me.

[ChiTown24]

Yeah, I like PUsh too a lot but is quite expensive, I am sure it will drop in price at some point maybe 25%, probably by xmas.

And by then we will have tons of new scrips and m4l devices to make it more fun.

If sales are robust, (and it seems they are with the current wait) I would not expect a 25% drop in price that soon... we will see of course. But if it is 25% less by Christmas, that is 9 months away. I can currently purchase Push for $550. This is $50 less than the standalone price of $600. If the $600 is offered with a 25% discount on Christmas, that makes the price $450. So for me, that would be a savings of $100 for waiting 9 months.

So I am saving $11 dollars a month to not use Push. Or I could think of it as renting Push for $11 a month for the next 9 months. This seems like a tiny price if the device is really useful to me.

9 months of bug reporting, crashes & general instability. Or maybe not. Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself, even when it's been repeating itself consistently for the last handful of versions. Early adopting is bad enough. Early adopting ableton is worse. Early adopting hardware that relies on the ableton software that you are also early adopting is worst of all. And paying a premium for that experience ? Priceless !

Also the 12-16 weeks delay happened within 24 hrs or less. And it was the first delay notice. It's not like it increased incrementally. And it has maintained that fairly precise delayed window of time since launch. Seems to me they only had a very small batch, as in knowingly very small, and the idea is to use some amount of time tallying orders to see, in turn, how many units they should order from the manufacturing plant.

I'll wait for the in-real-life-usage reports in 8 months or so and if that looks good I'll wait for the second batch, somewhere between Xmas and this time next year I imagine At that stage I'll probably just convince myself to wait until Live 10 is announced or that I don't need it, unless Ableton are offering me a handjob + at least 50% discount on push + upgrade

[thecontrolcentre]

Push will be free with Live Suite 10

[robogone]

[CTStump]

Does anybody know if the Lite version will be updated?

I'de ask this at the Ableton forum but there swamped at the moment with the paying Full version Users.

Be interested to see if any of the stuff in 9 will make it to the Lite version.

[wasi]

Push will be free with Live Suite 10

But you get a $50 discount on the upgrade to Suite 10 if you already own Push and Suite 9.

For a week upon release, that is.

[zerocrossing]

I actually like the looks of both the new site and the software. Something I have wished for quite a while though is that there was an option to render the Live GUI without the antialiasing.

You don't actually like it. Your brain is just producing dopamine in response to a novel stimuli. When the entire world is ugly like that, you'll miss vintage design.

Well, I was forced to go through this for a couple of weeks Anything not from the Abes has made me feel sick since then...

Admit it, you traded your Minimoog for a DX21 in 1984 didn't you?

[KungKrille]

I actually like the looks of both the new site and the software. Something I have wished for quite a while though is that there was an option to render the Live GUI without the antialiasing.

You don't actually like it. Your brain is just producing dopamine in response to a novel stimuli. When the entire world is ugly like that, you'll miss vintage design.

Well, I was forced to go through this for a couple of weeks Anything not from the Abes has made me feel sick since then...

Admit it, you traded your Minimoog for a DX21 in 1984 didn't you?

Haha, almost. I sold my Korg MS-10 and bought a TX81Z. Later than 1984 though

[zerocrossing]

I had a quick go with the demo last night and the default skin... well it was OK. A bit of an improvement to what I was using... I forget what. Why you can't define your own colors... not sure. A friend was asking about doing custom track colors... is that even possibale? I'll still stick by my feelings that they could do a better job at visually defining what can be clicked and what can't. Of course, I know by now but it was something that had to be learned and not intuitive at all. I do feel their rollover help is excellent, always has been. I know I kick Live around a bit, but of all the DAWs I've used (and it's been a lot) it makes the most sense to me. Funny thing is I never use it for beat stretching, clip launching and stuff like that. Launch would have no place in my world, so it can take forever for all I care.

Did a quick automation curve on a clip... seemed easier though I couldn't pinpoint why... am I imagining it? Didn't try recording automation yet. I was going to get on that today but I got sidetracked babysitting plumbers. (long story: shower leak)

I am disappointed about a few things though. I've got two decent sized monitors and Live will still only use one. Imagine if you could be working in both modes at the same time. Creating clips and then dragging them onto your timeline? Awesome. Who wouldn't want this as an option? Sure for live laptop gigs it's irrelevant, but for home studio this would kill. The whole groove pool thing is awkward to say the least. Having to switch "folders" to search for VSTs and Live instruments also seems silly. I've got the screen real estate to show all of them at the same time, but I can't. Frustrating.

Overall, seems like a .5 upgrade at best. 8 seemed like that too. That's how Ableton rolls I guess. It seems worth it... but I wonder if I'd be kicking myself for spending the $159 when Bitwig rears it's ugly cat-god head.

[pdxindy]

9 months of bug reporting, crashes & general instability. Or maybe not. Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself, even when it's been repeating itself consistently for the last handful of versions. Early adopting is bad enough. Early adopting ableton is worse. Early adopting hardware that relies on the ableton software that you are also early adopting is worst of all. And paying a premium for that experience ? Priceless !

I have been using the Live9 betas for 2 months now, and had a handful of crashes all together. I've found the betas to be productive and enjoyable. I have not launched 8 in weeks. I assume that the release version (I have not purchased yet) will at least be no worse than the recent betas. I'll be purchasing in the next couple days. Early adopting of Live 9 does not seem risky to me cause I have already been using it and am happy with it.

Push is obviously a risk since it is entirely new and untested in the wild... I may go for it anyway cause I would enjoy dabbling with a new toy!

[BDeep]

I am disappointed about a few things though. I've got two decent sized monitors and Live will still only use one. Imagine if you could be working in both modes at the same time. Creating clips and then dragging them onto your timeline? Awesome. Who wouldn't want this as an option? Sure for live laptop gigs it's irrelevant, but for home studio this would kill. The whole groove pool thing is awkward to say the least. Having to switch "folders" to search for VSTs and Live instruments also seems silly. I've got the screen real estate to show all of them at the same time, but I can't. Frustrating.

This. I don't get why Live uses folders to begin with, let me add some metadata and give me some smart filters and the world would be a better place.
I jumped into Live recently, so got 9 for free, wouldn't want to go back to 8, but can definitely see the issue if you'd have to fork out some money to get there.

[hibidy]

And yet I find live the least frustrating. I admit, I was embarrassed to find "ctrl/alt/P" just recently And yeah, I'd like it to be assignable to one key (oh please someone tell me that can be done already!!!!! ), but I like it. I gave up on the two screen thing a long time ago. None of the hosts I've used were quite right with that. One 23" screen is good enough for me (though I'd like to get a 27!)