Linux...anybody using it?

[urlwolf]

Btw, I still cannot get midi working on pydaw:

https://copy.com/NG6HurzCwxa6

[jeffh]

I don't know much about Catia or KX Studio, but in PyDAW MIDI is done by selecting your device from the "MIDI In" dropdown on the transport, and record-arming the track you wish to play by clicking the [R] button on the track. That in turn, creates a connection using ALSA MIDI.

If that doesn't work, let me know what kind of MIDI device you are trying to record, and what did or didn't work about it...

EDIT: The above instructions should definitely work, but I assume you're trying to connect that device called USB-2.0-MIDI, which would just be connected to the port called "midi/capture_1" on PyDAW... IMHO the dropdown is still a much easier way to connect that than the Catia patchbay...

[glokraw]

I just challenge the notion that you need more than one (competent) version of each type of plugin. There's plenty of people making great music with a limited selection of plugins, music isn't a race to collect the most VSTs

You have to take the notion far beyond the collecting of vsts,
to the types of sounds provided by wide ranges of vsts,
and more importantly, the variety of types of sounds, and the
market for fresh new sounds. Not everyone has the time, ability, or desire,
to design sounds, and among professional musicians, it is not always
cost effective. The mega Rompler-synths and sound collections
that emerged in the '90s, and the plethora of softsynths and samplers
that followed, meet valid needs and desires in the marketplace/userspace.

The more inclusive a great DAW is, the more users it will attract.
Even problem fraught DAWs attract tolerant/desparate users, based on the
provided sounds available at installation.

Cue the Clint Eastwood vocal: 'Aim high.'

[jeffh]

I just challenge the notion that you need more than one (competent) version of each type of plugin. There's plenty of people making great music with a limited selection of plugins, music isn't a race to collect the most VSTs

You have to take the notion far beyond the collecting of vsts,
to the types of sounds provided by wide ranges of vsts,
and more importantly, the variety of types of sounds, and the
marhet for fresh new sounds. Not everyone has the time, ability, or desire,
to design sounds, and among professional musicians, it is not always
cost effective. The mega Rompler-synths and sound collections
that emerged in the '90s, and the plethora of softsynths and samplers
that followed, meet valid needs and desires in the marketplace/userspace.

The more inclusive a great DAW is, the more users it will attract.
Even problem fraught DAWs attract tolerant/desparate users, based on the
provided sounds available at installation.

Cue the Clint Eastwood vocal: 'Aim high.'

But there's plenty of disadvantages in having to support 3rd party plugins, and a general lack of Native Instruments or Rob Papen, etc... quality plugins for Linux anyways. (and no, WINE is not an option).

PyDAW is aiming to fulfill my personal vision of being the ultimate tool for electronic music(with other use-cases having a lesser priority), not necessarily to have the most possible users or to even attempt to please everybody. If somebody disagrees with my vision and is absolutely convinced that no matter how good my plugins are(or become), that they can't make music with less than 300 different plugins, then PyDAW is not for them... And of course, anybody is welcome to fork PyDAW into something that supports 3rd party plugins, but I will eat my hat if that happens and it actually becomes popular and not a cesspool of crashes and audio malfunctions...

Ray-V pretty much covers your "classic analog" sounds, and Way-V has quite a few different saw-ish and square-ish waveforms that all have very different timbres. There's plenty of potential to sound different in there, and there will be even more when the next versions add FM, oscillator sync and other features...

Then Euphoria is a sampler perfectly capable of playing back any wav samples you put into it, which there are no shortage of all over the internet, including sample packs of classic synthesizers like Virus, Moog, etc... and fo couse there's also no shortage of drum kits in .wav format, like 808/909, samples of real drums, and so on... There's more potential for diversity in using samples than there are in all of the softsynths in the world combined...

Then filter and EQ plugins are waaaay over-rated for their different sounds, it all gets lost in the mix, shades of grey and all. There's plenty of "elitist emulations of EQs from the 1970's" out there for $200 a piece, but those are mostly marketing fluff for people who want to be elitist, but don't have $3000 to buy the real thing off eBay, because less than 1% are emulating anything .The only benchmark for filters/EQs there is that they don't sound terrible, and I dare say that's not the case with the ones I already have.

I do need to get off me arse and make some factory presets for Way-V, but I certainly don't see a lack of ability to create diverse sounds with what's already there, and the next iteration will expand upon that greatly...

[glokraw]

Also, will pydaw support a2jmidid, and alsa_in/alsa_out functions?
Cheers

[glokraw]

I do need to get off me arse and make some factory presets for Way-V, but I certainly don't see a lack of ability to create diverse sounds with what's already there, and the next iteration will expand upon that greatly...

Well, I suppose some modest social life, is allowable,
since there are few DAW coders in this part of the world. (the round part )
Enjoy the weekend

[jeffh]

I do need to get off me arse and make some factory presets for Way-V, but I certainly don't see a lack of ability to create diverse sounds with what's already there, and the next iteration will expand upon that greatly...

Well, I suppose some modest social life, is allowable,
since there are few DAW coders in this part of the world. (the round part )
Enjoy the weekend

Eh... Every DJ in the world is in Miami this weekend(and therefore no parties where I live), and I just dumped my latest fling, so I suspect this will be a very productive weekend for PyDAW instead of my usual mixture of debauchery and code

Cheers buddy...

[jeffh]

Btw Jeff, the software manager on ubuntu (unity) says that the pydaw package is of bad quality. I say 'install anyway' but this could scare away many users... JFYI

BTW, I tried the packages on my SourceForge page and didn't get any Lintian warnings in Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04... Was this in KX Studio? If so, I get a lingering suspicion that Falk put some "if package_name == "pydaw": warn_that_it_sucks()" code in there

But in all seriousness, if you don't mind, please reinstall the package(you won't lose any settings by doing this), and copy and paste the error details here, since I can't reproduce the problem...

Also, that Klang thing isn't going anywhere, apparently some guy made up a fake project for his resume, then the Linux media got a hold of it and he had to start pretending to the entire world that it was a serious project... He's right about Jack, but if Klang were to materialize, it wouldn't be a fundamental improvement over ALSA in performance (although it's certainly possible to have a cleaner and better documented API than ALSA).

[urlwolf]

ubuntu 12.10 :
The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath.

Lintian check results for /home/jack/Downloads/pydaw2-13.03-5-amd64-ubuntu12.04.deb:


(empty)

[pc999]

That is strange I hadnt any problems on my 12.10...

[urlwolf]

Got midi to work, but every single note I play gets stuck.
Still no joy on linux after dozens of hrs

[jeffh]

ubuntu 12.10 :
The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath.

Lintian check results for /home/jack/Downloads/pydaw2-13.03-5-amd64-ubuntu12.04.deb:


(empty)

Man, that's rough, I think your PC just doesn't like Linux

So if I understand you correctly, it's giving Lintian errors, but the Lintian error list is "(empty)". That's wild, I have never seen anything like that before...

About the hung notes... I think that your MIDI device probably isn't well supported, did you try Googling it to see if others had the same problem with it?

...and finally... Does your PC have integrated graphics built-in? If so, I'd recommend giving it a try with the Nvidia card taken out, and running on the AMD/Intel integrated graphics... Nvidia on Linux ain't what it used to be...

[bazwillrun]

I still really dont get why people bother with linux, aprt from the novelty factor and just to see aspect.

Why make things so difficult ?

[jeffh]

That is strange I hadnt any problems on my 12.10...

I did have a lot of problems on 12.10, and so did quite a few other people who reported it to me, but every single one of them (including me) were able to roll back to 12.04 and had no problems there... 13.04 seems a lot more stable than 12.10 already, I'll likely be moving PyDAW-OS to 13.04 in April or May...

[seismic1]

I've been using it for 18 years. Novelty it ain't