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Musicologo · Post by **Musicologo** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:49 pm

A somewhat larger essay but it contains some important reflections from the past four years, feedback would be greatly appreciated.

http://tiagovideira.com/2013/03/26/what ... after-all/

JumpingJackFlash · Post by **JumpingJackFlash** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:13 pm

Musicologo wrote:A somewhat larger essay but it contains some important reflections from the past four years, feedback would be greatly appreciated.

http://tiagovideira.com/2013/03/26/what ... after-all/

I've only skimmed it, and while a lot of it is waffle, there isn't really much to disagree with.
You're right in that everything is relative, subjective and dependant on context. Claims of music being "universal" are naive and vastly overrated.

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:15 pm

Just by looking at the title I think this is what I might agree with, but I have no time at the moment. Full report later.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:34 pm

so,in one sentence

"music taste is a personal thing"

FLWrd · Post by **FLWrd** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:42 pm

Bit long, but nice trolling. You don't seem to be making any point except "music isn't universal". For your other statement (Frank Zappa is the greatest 20th century composer) there is no support at all.

You complain in the same piece about people not knowing about Indonesian music because they don't study it, and calling Beethoven great because they did study it.

Context, interplay, canon and cannon... did you read a lot of post-modern philosophy?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:51 pm

Beethoven's music is great. You were just expecting something else.

:-|

Musicologo · Post by **Musicologo** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:00 pm

It seems then that you all are missing the big point:
Computers/Technology are changing the paradigm and the values by which we perceive, make and evaluate music. THAT is the big point.

We're still evaluating it regarding symbolic musical notation and its consequences, and I believe that is the great paradox. I will make that statement right in the beginning.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:25 pm

Musicologo wrote:We're still evaluating it regarding symbolic musical notation and its consequences

"We"? It's fascinating that you can read all our minds. Tell me, what else do you believe that "we" think? :-}

And did you recognize who I was paraphrasing in my previous post? Think back a little and see whether the irony amuses you as it did me.

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:27 pm

too many notes

Ph-J · Post by **Ph-J** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:30 pm

Musicologo wrote:It seems then that you all are missing the big point:
Computers/Technology are changing the paradigm and the values by which we perceive, make and evaluate music. THAT is the big point.

We're still evaluating it regarding symbolic musical notation and its consequences, and I believe that is the great paradox. I will make that statement right in the beginning.

1. can you give me the name of the thousands who, Today, write music as well as Beethoven & Mozart ??
Can't wait !

2. You can't judge Beethoven with pop music criteria nor can you evaluate pop music with 'classical' music criteria, because they are both of a different culture.
One is written, the other one is oral.

Classical music is 'written', the ideal sits on paper and musicians struggle to make it justice.

Pop music is part of an oral culture:
while the chords, structure, ... are obviously part of it, it's the particular 'sound' that gives it its value. IE Michael Jackson, like the village sorcerer, knows the magical way to sing 'Ooh' ; if I do, there's little chance people will be half as thrilled

I'll admit this is a gross over-simplification, but didn't McLuhan cover all this in the 60's ?

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:35 pm

beethoven is the best (after mozart & bach)

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:43 pm

Meffy wrote:Beethoven's music is great.

^^^ This

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:46 pm

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MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:47 pm

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:09 pm

By making a controversial claim "Beethoven and Mozart weren't so great", you risk that people won't read the whole text, and the discussion will split into those people who like Beethoven and those who don't...

I agree that there were many people who were as great (or even greater) as Beethoven and Mozart, but they composed hidden in their chamber, and nobody discovered them.

And of course, there are many composers in other countries (especially in India!) who make great music. I listen to music from the whole world, and I have come to know about musicians that are nearly unknown in our "Western world"...

Without good marketing nobody would know Beethoven & Mozart, they had the luck to get known to a broader audience while others didn't.

What is great music and why isn't Beethoven that great after all