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WOK · Post by **WOK** » Fri May 14, 2004 8:52 am

Is there any host or piano learning prog with a key editor, where the piano bar is horizontally at the bottom of the screen, not vertical on the left side ?
It would be enough if it can display and play tracks from MIDI-Files, even without editing.

(I did never understand this - who has the keyboard vertical in front of himself??

Why Steinberg and others not make a piano roll like in mechanical pianos, where the events are from left to right and moving upwards?)

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Fri May 14, 2004 9:24 am

i guess it's a common (i don't say universal tho) fact that what we call TIME will be represented horizontaly. Probably due to the sense of reading in most languages.

i don't know any verical piano roll but it might be a good idea. You should post the idea in this thread.

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri May 14, 2004 10:55 am

WOK wrote:Is there any host or piano learning prog with a key editor, where the piano bar is horizontally at the bottom of the screen, not vertical on the left side ?
It would be enough if it can display and play tracks from MIDI-Files, even without editing.

If it's just about displaying what is played, then as a workaround you could use any VSTi that has a keyboard to display the notes/chords.

WOK wrote:(I did never understand this - who has the keyboard vertical in front of himself?? Why Steinberg and others not make a piano roll like in mechanical pianos, where the events are from left to right and moving upwards?)

One of the first sequencers, Notator/Creator had it horizontaly, and the piano-roll (matrix) really went up/down like on a mechanical piano. It was not too bad, and you got used to it, but the time paradigma like described by Wopelka is usually easier to follow.
In Notator/Creator even the graphic Arrange was running vertically. The advantage of this on the other hand was, that you did not too much visualize the time in your mind while arranging, which did not distract you from listening as much.

isdjan · Post by **isdjan** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:12 am

some of the newer lcd displays come with a pivot thing and can be rotated 90 degrees - could be a workaround

ZooTooK · Post by **ZooTooK** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:15 am

Yes, I clearly remember seeing a sequencer with horizontal keyboard - but I can't remember the name. Might be the one the the Danish guy is developing - still in alfa... or somethingelse. I suppose this aint much help but keep on looking...

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:21 am

isdjan wrote:some of the newer lcd displays come with a pivot thing and can be rotated 90 degrees - could be a workaround

Hardly a workaraound, because most vertical piano-rolls go from bottom (lowest key) to top (highest key), so when you rotate the screen, the keys would go from right to left .... unless you like to have the piano at the top of the screen and the roll running downwards (which is again unusual: think about how irritating film credits running from top to bottom are).

isdjan · Post by **isdjan** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:30 am

dr.wackler wrote:
isdjan wrote:some of the newer lcd displays come with a pivot thing and can be rotated 90 degrees - could be a workaround
Hardly a workaraound, because most vertical piano-rolls go from bottom (lowest key) to top (highest key), so when you rotate the screen, the keys would go from right to left .... unless you like to have the piano at the top of the screen and the roll running downwards (which is again unusual: think about how irritating film credits running from top to bottom are).

uhm - you're right. you'd have to turn the monitor 180° around the up axis and install a mirror then.

but "workaround" contains work

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:34 am

isdjan wrote:but "workaround" contains work

... and "around"!

isdjan · Post by **isdjan** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:40 am

dr.wackler wrote:
isdjan wrote:but "workaround" contains work
... and "around"!

that's it

problem solved, next one

SARcazm · Post by **SARcazm** » Sat May 15, 2004 2:37 am

the other reason that midi editors scroll horizontally, is because musical scores are in the same format.

It's much easier to follow chord and harmonic structures this way, tho that may be only because we are used to it.

papawillow · Post by **papawillow** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:04 am

I think it is a great-idea.

btw.. which way do your web pages scroll?

SARcazm · Post by **SARcazm** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:02 am

papawillow wrote:
btw.. which way do your web pages scroll?

Depends on the size of the picture I'm looking at

jouni · Post by **jouni** » Sat May 15, 2004 2:38 pm

Considering trackers work top-to-bottom, I don't think it's that "hard". When I switched to sequencer from tracker it took some time to get used to to the left-to-right view. Of course the notes are visualised little bit different, it's not that much different.

pagan · Post by **pagan** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:55 pm

Tobybear Minihost?

pianoroll key-editor with horizontal keys available ?