KVR Audio

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:55 pm

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cookedvulture · Post by **cookedvulture** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:58 pm

TheoM wrote: I remember the TBT one very well! it was the first i think and great! Is that the guy though who doesn't allow the plugins to be used in commercial songs? not sure but i *think* i read that once here..

Indeed, the TBT readme says "You are allowed to use it for personal use only."
Thanks for putting that out Theo.

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:03 pm

You are right Theo mate about the disclaimer/ULA on tbt plugins stating that. I don't remember the exact wording but that is what it amounts to

There is magware like artillery CM and BE versions, Both platforms:

http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2012/09 ... -for-free/

Then to the actual further link in german to the actual page:
http://www.maclife.de/beat/insider

Not sure what it misses from the full version but surely worth a look for MAC users after a free plugin that can do tape stop pretty painlessly and also PC users wanting one that they can use sans the tbt disclaimer/EULA thing.

Indeed like you said, Hope it helps some people out

and best to all

Dean

Edit: Yeah it has the 'Turntable' one which does the slow down thingy. Nice for nowt

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:07 pm

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boygreen · Post by **boygreen** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:33 pm

Thanx guyz!! Info overload already LOL! Lots to check out!

Allbotsquad · Post by **Allbotsquad** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:37 pm

you can also check out izotope stutter edit.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:23 pm

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Allbotsquad · Post by **Allbotsquad** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:34 pm

yes, it can do way more than tapestop, but if you take your time to get into it you can get really impressive results. You can also use it for playing live. Maybe it's not the one to go for simple aviciistyle-tapestop-effects.

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:02 pm

cookedvulture wrote:
TheoM wrote: I remember the TBT one very well! it was the first i think and great! Is that the guy though who doesn't allow the plugins to be used in commercial songs? not sure but i *think* i read that once here..
Indeed, the TBT readme says "You are allowed to use it for personal use only."
Thanks for putting that out Theo.

What..? That's insane..!

Why release a plugin at all if you're not allowed to use it fully..?

"Personal use" implies that only you can listen to your music. Come on tbt, it's music..! Get a life man..!

And what constitutes "commercial"..? Although strictly speaking it could be a song, or music that's written for monetary gain, but it can also be an adjective for something that sounds pleasing (or not) to the listener - "Hey dude, your beats are so commercial." But then you wouldn't be allowed to let your mates listen to said beats anyway.

Furthermore, how do any of us (especially un-signed) songwriters/producers know if a track we're working on is gonna be an earner for us? Unless you've been commissioned to compose a jingle or what-not, you'd have no idea at the moment of inserting the plugin.

And finally, how is the developer gonna police this..? Is he gonna listen to every track ever released, or every TV ad, theme music etc..? And if he does find an example of his effect in a "commercial" context, what will he do..? get a lawyer and sue..? And assuming he can get a lawyer who's willing to take on a lost cause case such as this, how will he prove it..? Does Tapestop embed some kind of digital watermark on the rendered audio? He would have absolutely zero chance of enforcing this ridiculous condition - legally or otherwise - so why even have it in the first place..?

And to anyone who comes back with "He trusts users to do the right thing." Well sorry, but that just doesn't fly. Placing it in the EULA makes it a legal requirement. Albeit a fu@&!ng stupid one.

cron · Post by **cron** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:22 pm

Andywanders wrote:
cookedvulture wrote:
TheoM wrote: I remember the TBT one very well! it was the first i think and great! Is that the guy though who doesn't allow the plugins to be used in commercial songs? not sure but i *think* i read that once here..
Indeed, the TBT readme says "You are allowed to use it for personal use only."
Thanks for putting that out Theo.
What..? That's insane..!

Why release a plugin at all if you're not allowed to use it fully..?

"Personal use" implies that only you can listen to your music. Come on tbt, it's music..! Get a life man..!

And what constitutes "commercial"..? Although strictly speaking it could be a song, or music that's written for monetary gain, but it can also be an adjective for something that sounds pleasing (or not) to the listener - "Hey dude, your beats are so commercial." But then you wouldn't be allowed to let your mates listen to said beats anyway.

Furthermore, how do any of us (especially un-signed) songwriters/producers know if a track we're working on is gonna be an earner for us? Unless you've been commissioned to compose a jingle or what-not, you'd have no idea at the moment of inserting the plugin.

And finally, how is the developer gonna police this..? Is he gonna listen to every track ever released, or every TV ad, theme music etc..? And if he does find an example of his effect in a "commercial" context, what will he do..? get a lawyer and sue..? And assuming he can get a lawyer who's willing to take on a lost cause case such as this, how will he prove it..? Does Tapestop embed some kind of digital watermark on the rendered audio? He would have absolutely zero chance of enforcing this ridiculous condition - legally or otherwise - so why even have it in the first place..?

And to anyone who comes back with "He trusts users to do the right thing." Well sorry, but that just doesn't fly. Placing it in the EULA makes it a legal requirement. Albeit a fu@&!ng stupid one.

As much as I respect devs' rights to license their software as they see fit, I can't help but agree that this is a bit daft. I have a ton of plug-ins, and many of them have EULAs that remind me of reading War And Peace.

When I'm working in Live and have lots of plug-ins on the go, that's lots of different EULAs I'm supposed to remember simultaneously, many of which are thousand plus word essays. I'm not superhuman. I can't remember if this one is not for commercial use, if I can use this one to make music that goes against the teachings of Christ, if I can install a second copy of this one on my laptop to take my project on the go, etc ad infinitum. It's not helpful to people trying to make music, or the developers who have sensible EULAs that are easy to follow because they're being followed in the context of projects which often contain a clusterfuck of contradicting EULAs.

The plug-in scene could do with some standardisation here. Something like Creative Commons, where devs have a choice of a few licenses that cover every reasonable combination of protections/freedoms and the consumer can make music without confusion or worry.

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:35 am

i'm not a lawyer,but my guess 'personal use' meant that you can't re-sell the software.

tommyzai · Post by **tommyzai** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:02 pm

I realize this is an old thread, but it's still viable IMO. I recently picked up kiloHearts Tape Stop, and it's fantastic. Very simple, yet powerful . . . easy to experiment with and create excellent spin-down and speed-up tape emulations. I can feel the motor. I can hear the magnetic flakes jumping off the tape. Cool Stuff!

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Wed May 31, 2017 12:03 pm

If you're on Logic theres a way you can achieve the tape-stop effect on the timeline by changing your fade outs to a tape stop variety.

Plug in for Tape Stop effect?