KORG to re-release the MS-20!

[grabme]

The analogy is false anyway. It is like they copied an oldtimer car, not built a modern car.

This is about creating music not worrying about something collecting dust and oxidizing in the corner. I want to switch a synth on and know it is going to power up and make music for at least the next 10 yrs without issues.

If people with a lot of money to blow want to buy into the originals then lucky them but most of us just want the sound and modern day connectivity.

Its long overdue ending this era of putting technology out of the reach of the many and into the hands of the few. If Roland come on board I'll be buying most of the back catalogue at sensible prices and the art collectors can go kid themselves.

[himalaya]

Its long overdue ending this era of putting technology out of the reach of the many and into the hands of the few. If Roland come on board I'll be buying most of the back catalogue at sensible prices and the art collectors can go kid themselves.

The bold highlights from me as this is spot on.

[Mushy Mushy]

To be fair,

OK, so let's be fair.

You have an old classic car in pristine condition which you just love the look of. You admire it, but never dare to drive it. It might break down.

We, on the other hand, have a brand new synth - which brings back the sound and functionality of a vintage classic. We can use it and abuse it, in the studio or live. It only costs £500 after all - and not the sub £1300 second hand price of the moment. More importantly, we can create art with it. Not just stare at it.

Good points well made.

However with an original, there will never be an argument about its sound.
The mini will have endless comparison threads, which when lets be honest, it will sound identical to anybody other than a dog or dolphin.

Another analogy has come to me. An original work of art vs a print. Both look identical, both perform their tasks identically. However, the latter will never be the real thing. The original will forever continue to appreciate in value.

[werp]

[/quote]Another analogy has come to me. An original work of art vs a print. Both look identical, both perform their tasks identically. .[/quote]

An oil painting has texture, a print does not.

I fancied some analogue gear but I'm too impatient to be a purist. Up to 40 minutes before it's stable?
That isn't for me.

Spent my money on Imposcar2 and its dedicated midi controller built by Touch in the UK. Should be delivered on Tuesday.

[Wormhelmet]

There are some good side by side comparisons done already on YouTube . Big write up on the findings. Basically sounded the same with a little more low end on the mini and a little more gradual lfo filter sweep on the original, but these small differences were written off as being entirely possible with two originals side by side. Apparently getting two to sound exactly like each other is probably near impossible, but you have to really be measuring for differences because they are so small.

Sounded to my ears like they did a great job. All I know is I want one and dialing in sounds with the software versions that I have is pretty easy. Playing with the controller I have has got me familiar with where everything is already, so I think I better get one sometime this year.

That would make three that I have with no preset saving and not bothered in the least about no patch memory. I just hope it feels as solid on the knobs as the iC controller feels. They mini keys on the iC controller have a very plasticky feel, but the housing itself and knobs feel great. I imagine the in between size of the keys would be alright if they felt like the keys of my Radium or Venom. I can't imagine they would feel as good as the minibrute keys. That one has a nice keybed for the price of it.

[kritikon]

This is about creating music not worrying about something collecting dust and oxidizing in the corner. I want to switch a synth on and know it is going to power up and make music for at least the next 10 yrs without issues.

I suppose there may be people out there like that, but everyone I ever knew who bought classic analogues uses them devoutly. Some of these old synths have powered on and made music for the past 40 years, so there's no reason why they won't carry on doing so. With the exception of some Rolands, of course, which are now busy dying. But with something like an MS20 - I've never had a more reliable synth. I've had digital workstations that have died as well as analogues. The MS20 just keeps on going. And I bought it for 200 quid lots of years ago - not especially cheap but nowhere near as expensive as nowadays. Your idea of crusty old collectors buying up old synths and hoarding them away in a dark room is generally the complete opposite of most who have them. If you have a 1000 quid analogue that makes wonderful sounds, you don't let iut rust in the corner. In fact it becomes the mainstay of your studio.

Why do some people have to manufacture jealous arguments about old/new? Because it does just stem from jealousy. You'll find some old gear owners are just as delighted about this new MS20 as anyone else. So I can afford to have 2 MS20s instead of one now. Why isn't that good? And if I was a crusty old collector who hoards old gear in the attic never to be used (what an idiotic ideas that really is...) then even more reason for me to buy a new one so my precious old one doesn't get ruined. Either way, I think everyone is pleased about a new MS20 - I hope other companies catch on to the idea. I'd love to be able to buy a brand new OSCar for 500 quid.

[Wormhelmet]

I'd love to be able to buy a brand new OSCar for 500 quid.

Man, can you imagine the sales on that one? Instant success.

We can dream at least. That one could go right next to the mini, then ill need a feeding tube and commode built under me with some retractable pillow so I can rest occasionally...

[Mushy Mushy]

I'd love to be able to buy a brand new OSCar for 500 quid.

Man, can you imagine the sales on that one? Instant success.

We can dream at least. That one could go right next to the mini, then ill need a feeding tube and commode built under me with some retractable pillow so I can rest occasionally...

I'll pay £600

[himalaya]

However with an original, there will never be an argument about its sound.
The mini will have endless comparison threads, which when lets be honest, it will sound identical to anybody other than a dog or dolphin.

Sure. People will argue that there is a difference even if they were to hear the same precision-set FM sound. One would be warmer the other colder. Or whatever. Equally, others will just make music, unperturbed by the interwebz noise about endless comparisons (I'm adding to that noise now myself LOL!).

About the difference itself, obviously we all have to hear for ourselves how the new MS20 compares to the original, but lets imagine, a difference in the cutoff being 3dB brighter or darker, a difference of a few milliseconds in the envelope speed...is that worth the extra £700? Not for me. For the difference in money I'd get another synth (Sub Phatty or a Boomstar come to mind) and have a wider sonic palette.

Another analogy has come to me. An original work of art vs a print. Both look identical, both perform their tasks identically. However, the latter will never be the real thing. The original will forever continue to appreciate in value.

A needless analogy, if you pardon me. The new MS20 Mini is as real as you and me. It will make sound as real as the original. It will fuel creativity (or not) in the same way as anything else. True, that the original may appreciate in value, who knows, but provided that the new MS20 does offer a huge chunk of the original sound, we shouldn't care any more.

[himalaya]

I'd love to be able to buy a brand new OSCar for 500 quid.

Man, can you imagine the sales on that one? Instant success.

We can dream at least. That one could go right next to the mini, then ill need a feeding tube and commode built under me with some retractable pillow so I can rest occasionally...

I'll pay £600

You won't. You need that £600 for a new polish for your classic car. Remember that.

[Sequent]

If it sounds good, if it does what it says it will do, and if it doesn't fall apart the first time I look at it I will be more than happy. The rest I really don't care about.

Hopefully we'll know in a few weeks or perhaps even sooner!

[toitoi]

A vintage MS-20 mkI with original IC35 filter against the brand new MS-20mini. Both synths sounds the same, with a minimum tweaking of controls. Same level on mixer, no eq, same gain settings. Brand new MS-20mini has more output level (and more hiss) than the vintage one. Same sounds, same capabilities, same charme.

[breakmixer]

I'd rather by a brand new retro remake/reissue any day than anything vintage, that goes for Vinyl 12"s, clothes and hardware...the only time I would buy Vintage is when their is no new version available, hence the Roland Alpha Juno and DX-21 in my studio...

So just needs Yamaha and Roland to get back on some retro remakes!

[breakmixer]

A needless analogy, if you pardon me. The new MS20 Mini is as real as you and me. It will make sound as real as the original. It will fuel creativity (or not) in the same way as anything else. True, that the original may appreciate in value, who knows, but provided that the new MS20 does offer a huge chunk of the original sound, we shouldn't care any more.

I'm seeing the opposite on Ebay, users are seemingly off-loading the old MS-20(loads are for sale) and probably want to replace them with the new mini one, i.e. pocket some cash and buy a brand new replacement, I think they will go down in price for the time being as alot want the new reliable mini and the market may be flooded for a short while...

[himalaya]

Yeah, I've seen one priced lower too. Hopefully this will become a new trend. I suppose people are thinking of offloading the original MS20 while they still command a high price. Still, most are priced at above the £1000 price mark. One going for £1400 BIN! shock!