KVR Audio

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:16 pm

aMUSEd wrote:

once upon a time there was a wonderful tool, called Project 5 V.2 pc only, no multi core support, but full of inspiration ...

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:25 pm

Being dead serious (no kitties) it's current greatest advantage is that nobody has it yet so it's perfect. It's like that perfect lookimg model chick who you haven't actualy dated yet.

Once they actually release it we'll be able to better judge it's relative advantages and disadvantages.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:34 pm

What I'm looking forward to the most are really the v2.0 features:

1. Modular environment
2. Network slaving

In version v1.0 I'm hoping for excellent integration with external MIDI (more than 16 channels), tight slaving to MIDI clock or MTC, and multi-threaded support for live VST instrument sequencing.

There does seem to be some very nice workflow improvements over what Live offers but we won't know that until hands on, as LawrenceF pointed out.

Peace,
Andy.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:49 pm

Did anyone here (kvr) attend MusikMesse and try it first hand? If so any thoughts from your time there?

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:57 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:What I'm looking forward to the most are really the v2.0 features:

1. Modular environment
2. Network slaving

In version v1.0 I'm hoping for excellent integration with external MIDI (more than 16 channels), tight slaving to MIDI clock or MTC, and multi-threaded support for live VST instrument sequencing.

All of this AND... if midi data can be sent from track to track without combining channel info I will be a happy camper

(just sayin')

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:12 am

Just wait till its released, youll all be bitching about something lol

History repeats itself

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:21 am

daExpert wrote:Session view and arrange view on the same page. Dragging and dropping clips from one to the other is easier and then triggering clips into an arrangement that already has clips is easier. Discuss yo.

Reducing screen space for each view just so you don't have to use the tab key. Genius. Or maybe not...

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:50 pm

I wonder what Ableton's plans are in the meantime? With this taking so long to get all the features implemented, Ableton may be able to implement them in Live. If they do that the Bitwig is probably screwed.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:56 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Being dead serious (no kitties) it's current greatest advantage is that nobody has it yet so it's perfect. It's like that perfect lookimg model chick who you haven't actualy dated yet.

Once they actually release it we'll be able to better judge it's relative advantages and disadvantages.

The only advantage ARE teh Kittehs

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:21 pm

mellotronaut wrote: once upon a time there was a wonderful tool, called Project 5 V.2 pc only, no multi core support, but full of inspiration ...

Seriously, Project 5 had potential to become really great. I thought version 2 was really close--it would have just needed a few more basic improvements to make version 3 truly amazing (multi-core like you said, and proper multi-timbral VSTi support, among some others). Damn shame they killed it before it was ever even really finished.

jonnyG · Post by **jonnyG** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:23 pm

trimph1 wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:Being dead serious (no kitties) it's current greatest advantage is that nobody has it yet so it's perfect. It's like that perfect lookimg model chick who you haven't actualy dated yet.

Once they actually release it we'll be able to better judge it's relative advantages and disadvantages.
The only advantage ARE teh Kittehs

I'm a Live user (still on v7) and I can honestly say that I've never had any desire for Session and Arrangement on the same screen. Ever. YMMV of course.

What I do find myself wanting all the bloody time is a proper piano roll. Mebbe just a button that expands the current glorified step sequencer into a proper MIDI editor. Oh, and a "Rack View" for building complex racks more easily. Racks are a modular thing, so why can't we have a modular environment to plug 'em together?

The best thing about Bitwig is that it's still vapour, so my money's safe for the time being.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:41 pm

aMUSEd wrote:

Looks much too busy to me.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:12 pm

Gamma-UT wrote:
daExpert wrote:Session view and arrange view on the same page. Dragging and dropping clips from one to the other is easier and then triggering clips into an arrangement that already has clips is easier. Discuss yo.
Reducing screen space for each view just so you don't have to use the tab key. Genius. Or maybe not...

I'd fully agree if it was the only view available, but it's not.

Giving users the option to change their GUI views to what they need for their current project's (or their general) workflow is what's great about it. Like dual monitor support or midi editing overlays.

I don't feel it's genius either, but it's obviously genius enough that Ableton seems unable to implement such flexibility without fear of ruining their UX, so maybe it is. If Live had a more flexible GUI nobody would be talking about this or dual monitor support or what not, but Live's GUI is like an iOS app and they are obviously obsessed with keeping it that way.

robojam wrote:I wonder what Ableton's plans are in the meantime? With this taking so long to get all the features implemented, Ableton may be able to implement them in Live. If they do that the Bitwig is probably screwed.

I don't think they will do anything until it hurts. As has been stated elsewhere, Bitwig reads like a list of Ableton's long ignored feature and enhancement requests. There's hardly anything there that Ableton hasn't heard before and chosen not to implement.

Also, they did seem a bit in a pinch for coding talent this last year or so. On the lack of a native bit bridge they essentially said they couldn't work on a native bit bridge and continue to improve Live at the same time and on the inclusion of the convolution reverb as a 'mere' m4L device they said "it basically was either this or no convolution reverb at all in Live 9".

I may be reading too much into these statements but they certainly don't sound like somebody comfortably churning out great features and improvements while sitting on some coding reserves to react to market demand.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:27 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
Looks much too busy to me.

The point is it was doing what people are claiming is Bitwig's great "new" feature years ago.

daExpert · Post by **daExpert** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:31 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
daExpert wrote:Session view and arrange view on the same page. Dragging and dropping clips from one to the other is easier and then triggering clips into an arrangement that already has clips is easier. Discuss yo.
Reducing screen space for each view just so you don't have to use the tab key. Genius. Or maybe not...

Yeeeahh, for me the tab key really disconnects the session and arrange.

Bitwig's Big Advantage