Bitwig Studio [Certified Official Thread!] - with cats, and INFO!

[ThomasHelzle]

What I saw at Musikmesse was very impressive.
I absolutely loved the GUI, the nodes, the routing and (audio rate-) modulation system and the sound of the modular synth. Compound tracks and the clip/loop system looked just great.
Multiple monitor support, multiple views at the same time, even a search field for plugin parameters for modulation...
Clever stuff.

The booth was modest enough and shared with a controller manufacturer (Panorama).

I talked to Claes and Volker and found them very nice and energetic people who love what they do with a passion.

I personally will not invest any more money into Ableton after I've seen Bitwig - I was appalled by Live 9 anyway.

And I'm in no hurry at all

No Problems with Cats here either, keep them coming
I loved the title (...without cats, now with cats...)

Cheers,

Tom

[LawrenceF]

Yeah, it's pretty much "Ableton Live: The New Generation".

Trust me when I say that most of us who aren't all that interested in those kinds of features (and I for one am not) are even more anxious than those who are for Bitwig to get this thing released already so those groups can move along and be happier and stop trying to turn conventional workstations into Ableton part two.

We want it to get released even more than you guys do. Ask Dan. The sooner the better, imo.

[DuX]

I'm alright with anything happening in Bitwig threads, with or without cats. I've seen a few drool inducing videos so far, and I applied for beta testing, but nothing happens.

[LawrenceF]

I'm not sure who started the cat analogies but it seems to be pretty accruate.

Bitwig is like a cat lurking / stalking in the weeds, one moment it's there, then it's not, just kinda lurking around and popping up here and there... and nobody knows when it will pounce or where it is at any given time.

I suppose when the cat gets hungry enough it'll launch an attack and have a meal. It appears to still be raising it's kitties.

[sl1914]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

[robogone]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

To be competitive? It would make no sense to allow their competitors to forge ahead and implement the features that Bitwig delivers and lose the apparent advantage. It also means that the features not available in v1.0 are pushed out even further.

I can't see that they benefit in any way from holding off on releasing unless they are forced to by internal factors.

[LawrenceF]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

Not to argue the point, but "rush" doesn't factor into it. Again, they said it was "coming soon" 16 months ago. That's hardly rushing.

Not complaining... again... I won't be using it anyway, just saying, the "what's taking ao long already" discussions are mostly of their own making by running a marketing campagin approaching 1.5 years and counting.

I wish them great success but they created this monster by announcing so early.

I would, being fair, say much the same about DP8 Win which looks to be invisi-ware.

[pdxindy]

lol, I don't get it. You didn't start this thread...? It was started because the other BW thread got suffocated by... let me check... cat pics.

Please leave the thread cause when there is new info it ends up here and then after some discussion, the cats keep it going. It is not a bad thread, negative tone, personal attacks etc...

[pdxindy]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

To be competitive? It would make no sense to allow their competitors to forge ahead and implement the features that Bitwig delivers and lose the apparent advantage. It also means that the features not available in v1.0 are pushed out even further.

I can't see that they benefit in any way from holding off on releasing unless they are forced to by internal factors.

If you look at the list of features, there is no host out there which can come close to copying them. All Bitwig has to do is fulfill that list, have all the basics solid and stable and it will be a hit.

[pdxindy]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

Not to argue the point, but "rush" doesn't factor into it. Again, they said it was "coming soon" 16 months ago. That's hardly rushing.

Not complaining... again... I won't be using it anyway, just saying, the "what's taking ao long already" discussions are mostly of their own making by running a marketing campagin approaching 1.5 years and counting.

I wish them great success but they created this monster by announcing so early.

I would, being fair, say much the same about DP8 Win which looks to be invisi-ware.

There is no monster... or problem except some people get impatient (which is their own problem). Bitwig looks fantastic. If they make good on what they have promised, and all the basics are stable and well coded, there will be lots of users from various hosts switching to it.

There are some solid features there that will make many people envious. The ability to purposefully crash a plug-in without the audio even being interrupted while playing is impressive. So is the scripting language and the ability to edit any included Bitwig device and ability to use both 32 and 64 bit plug-ins.

[DuX]

What you mentioned about Bitwig features, pdxindy, reminds me of REAPER, but I'm hoping that Bitwig will be easier to manage for me than REAPER, simply put. That's why I'm impatient.

I'd at least like to beta test it and see how it works; how it fits my workflow. I might totally hate it, or I might totally ditch REAPER for it. You can never be completely sure until you test it yourself with a project.

[machinesworking]

I have no problem with cat picks, and I'm glad there's still info on Bitwig being added to this thread. It's completely possible to have both. The arguing over whether there should or should not be cat pics is the only annoying thing. Anybody can see from the thread tittle that this is a light hearted Bitwig thread.

[sl1914]

All their competitors are already selling their products. Why would Bitwig rush their initial release?

To be competitive? It would make no sense to allow their competitors to forge ahead and implement the features that Bitwig delivers and lose the apparent advantage. It also means that the features not available in v1.0 are pushed out even further.

I can't see that they benefit in any way from holding off on releasing unless they are forced to by internal factors.

If you look at the list of features, there is no host out there which can come close to copying them. All Bitwig has to do is fulfill that list, have all the basics solid and stable and it will be a hit.

This is what I meant. Their 1.0 feature set should be quite nice, but only if it works well.

[machinesworking]

My biggest wish is that Bitwig actually has certain live performance oriented features that Live does not.

For instance if you have a MIDI controller or two in Live you're stuck with using the controller to change it's mapped parameters.
To change a mapped performance of instruments you essentially have two choices, either take the CPU hit and use a Rack to switch between instruments or load a new Live Set, which means dead space in a live performance, so iTunes etc. to fill the void. You can use power on/off commands in a Rack to save energy, but the on/off command is itself an issue then, say a Rack has three instruments you want to play live in a song, the only way to make sure the state remains the same is to use the switching feature in Racks to switch the keyboard to the various synths/samplers with all synths loaded and using CPU, an issue possibly.

Mostly, there's nothing intuitive or easy about setting up a Live Set with multiple synths for playing live. Mostly it seams like Live asks you to play the clips as if they were a sampler for an intuitive performance experience.


If Bitwig addressed this they would have me at v 1.0, if not it's just a great competition to what Live does. So far it seems to me that they aren't.

[t3toooo]

but....










can it scratch?