Show me some melody in modern electronic music.

[cron]

That Dub smugglers version a real nice.. I did get high hopes though seeing Shabba there but it wasn't so good. You know Shabba Ranks original Mr Loverman, the bedroom bully, wicked in bed:





But yea, I better get some sleep already, let this thread get back on track again.. Thanks for the jungle trip I got over here, got some musical ideas on the way.. And Congo Natty still making some fine music it seems. And Daddy Freddy also still live and kicking.. Yea, crazy stuff.

Yeah Mr. lover man. Homophobic twat. Do you know how I punish him? I dl his music from youtube for free and legally and dance around in my shreddies singing:

Homophobic twat indeed. Same with Buju Banton. I admit to taking much perverse pleasure in his incarceration. When I heard he went down, I celebrated by downloading the acapella of Boom Bye Bye and singing "Boom bye bye in a Banton boy's bum".

[Suzym]

Listening to Enigma, Vangelis, Kitaro and Tangerine Dream changed my taste. I think modern electronic music is more about creating noise than a musical story. I listen to Vangelis and with no need to lyrics I listen to the stories. So, the music is not anymore some sounds that I have to understand, but an story that as a listener I become a part of it. The great masters do not need lyrics to tell their story and I love it about them a lot as their instrumental music let listeners' imagination to fly to far fay away lands.

In Modern Electronic music this trend is not much but I think musicians/bands like Kraftwerk, Rixa White, Brian Eno and Daft Punk has the same story telling manner in their music, when instead of noise, you listen to the story.

[A.M. Gold]

Heh, I came back. (But only for a minute).

I myself wouldn't even call modern uptempo electronic music "noise" (although noise is sometimes used). I think of it as rhythmic sonic texture with a defining, simple pulse.

I agree with the metaphor, though, in saying it is not like a story. It's more like a mantra.

[ZenPunkHippy]

It's up to the DJ or performer to fit the tracks together in a way that tells the story. Listening to an isolated track is usually not enough, but of course that depends on the artist.

Shpongle do a great job of telling a story in a single track, across whole albums and across multiple albums.

Peace,
Andy.

[ghettosynth]

It's up to the DJ or performer to fit the tracks together in a way that tells the story. Listening to an isolated track is usually not enough, but of course that depends on the artist.

Shpongle do a great job of telling a story in a single track, across whole albums and across multiple albums.

Peace,
Andy.

I think that Richie Hawtin is as well, although, others may disagree. It comes down to the definition of "musical story", which I suspect will turn out to be simply another weak criticism of a sound that some people don't like. People love to use these metaphors about art, claiming, for example, that visual art "conveys meaning", yet, it's often the case that it's not precisely clear what the meaning, or story, is until we're told.

So then, without a specific meaning, a story is just how a piece of music changes over time and we've already established that EDM generally changes less or over a longer time scale than most pop music so to say that something doesn't change doesn't tell a story is a tautology. It's just another way of saying "I don't like EDM how it is" but I 'd like it better if it was "how I imagine it should be even though I don't really understand the context that has defined it."

Andy's right, this is largely the DJ's job. The point that needs to be made here though is that producers understand that it's the DJs job and so they write for their intended audience, i.e., they create "DJ friendly" music.

In Modern Electronic music this trend is not much but I think musicians/bands like Kraftwerk, Rixa White, Brian Eno and Daft Punk has the same story telling manner in their music, when instead of noise, you listen to the story.

To use the fluffy language of storytelling, to me, this point of view suggests that one doesn't know how to listen to EDM. It sounds like one hasn't progressed beyond listening consciously. You haven't learned how to allow the music to take it's own journey in your mind and body together.

[vurt]

if i want a story ill read a book.

[ghettosynth]

if i want a story ill read a book.

Books are great, you don't have to guess at what the story is.

[tapper mike]

I wonder how often Jackson Pollacks works are misinterpreted.

[Sendy]

Tsch, yet another story where the guy gets the trophy girl at the end... The part with the explosion in the paint factory was compelling, though. I think Dave came out of it a better character.

[GeckoYamori]

I actually think Dubstep holds a lot of untapped potential thanks to not emphasising a rigid, steady rhythm like typical dance music. Would love to see some sincere and well-executed mixture of Dubstep and something like Prog Metal (it's pretty much already an EDM equivalent to Metal with the mid-heavy bass replacing the rhythm guitars).

[ghettosynth]

I actually think Dubstep holds a lot of untapped potential thanks to not emphasising a rigid, steady rhythm like typical dance music.
Would love to see some sincere and well-executed mixture of Dubstep and something like Prog Metal (it's pretty much already an EDM equivalent to Metal with the mid-heavy bass replacing the rhythm guitars).

capestep?

Here's some more thinking along those lines. Only 509 views, give it some love..even though it sucks.

[highkoo]

Part of what ghetto is talking about, with the DJ being responsible for "the story", is another thing that sets EDM apart. I think until recently the idea of a musical story over an album of EDM was rare. It was all about singles, and all about the live DJ set.

With a lot of EDM, traditionally anyway, the arrangement is done with the assumption that the the DJ will do something with it. The fact that the music was primarily DJed with totally influenced the arrangement of it, just like it influenced it being put on vinyl.
It was all about what the DJ did, because the music was created for the dance party.
So then over time you have people listening to tracks that are arranged for DJs to play, and that becomes a part of the genre.
People listening to full House tracks are just used to hearing sixteen bar 'intros', or whatever. Some people know its a DJ thing too, some just think its what House is.

In most of the House tracks I do I have at least one spot where it goes off-bar, or at least off-measure, and it just pisses DJs off completely.

[tapper mike]

Here's some more thinking along those lines. Only 509 views, give it some love..even though it sucks.

I prefer to keep my love for things that suck to those I enjoy.

[ghettosynth]

In most of the House tracks I do I have at least one spot where it goes off-bar, or at least off-measure, and it just pisses DJs off completely.

You can say that again. It depends a lot on style. I'd say that ghetto-tech and hard-house DJs that do a lot of fast mixing and cuts don't care as much. But those of us into the deep long mix find that sort of thing really frustrating, especially with vinyl. Mixing from traktor, I'm not as bothered by it because it's quite easy to set cue points and reestablish the mix after it's been derailed by some "quirky bit." Those kind of records often force you to mix just the beginning, or the end, or simply mix the record traditionally using only the intro/outro to mix with.

[A.M. Gold]

It's up to the DJ or performer to fit the tracks together in a way that tells the story. Listening to an isolated track is usually not enough, but of course that depends on the artist.

Shpongle do a great job of telling a story in a single track, across whole albums and across multiple albums.

Peace,
Andy.

Hmm, I never really thought of that. Much like the "old" concept of.... THE ALBUM .... .

I guess as a composer/producer I'm wanting to make a full statement in "story form" myself, rather than leave it up to a DJ at some unspecified place and time in the future, so maybe that's part of why I don't connect well with modern electronic music.